Anti Tracy fans are like robots. Programmed to personally attack and discredit even when not necessary.
I understand what you are saying, but TMac has been in the NBA for how long? Over ten years, I believe. I will be delighted if he roars back into elite status, but, I really don't think we should get our hopes up. Doing exercises is a good deal different than playing at the NBA level. I don't think he has the durability to do it, but I certainly hope I am wrong. On the other hand, if he is at 60% he would still be better than most players. We will see.
being a rox fan i would like to believe in him, i would also just like to think that his injuries are just a product of him playin so long and a bit of bad luck. i suppose that if he is still a rocket this year i believe that anything is possible. i wish him the best of luck on his return and hope he can help this team be a better team, but if he goes somewhere else, then screw him, i believe he will screw up the next team too. good luck tmac
it really depends on what you define "elite" personally. i don't think tracy will ever be as good as he was in 04-05 or even come close. he was truly a top 5 player then. to me, if his knee is not problematic anymore (say how the back has held up), he should be able to put up 20, 5, 5 AT THE LEAST and that is still very good. what's key for tracy is to improve his fg% and ft% to something like 44% and 80%. so we will see. only 2 more months before he suits up for the opener lol.
Dirk Nowitzki, Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Shaquille O'Neal, Steve Nash and Dwyane Wade Give me 2 players Tracy was better then....
tracy was better than dirk (that's OBVIOUS) and wade in 04-05. we're talking about 04-05. he finished top 7 in MVP voting despite averaging a mere 19-20 pts in the first 2 months. and magic and avery johnson proclaimed he was the best player on the planet in the first round.
Really how was he better than Dirk? And what makes it obvious? Dirk managed to take out T-Mac team in the playoffs. And along with that Dirk was 3rd in hte MVP voting that year. http://www.nba.com/news/nash_mvp_050508.html Yeah what about Wade in 05. That was the year he started to emerge as a superstar and he was 1 vote behind Tracy McGrady. Best player on the planet in the 1st round? Yeah too bad there's the 2nd round, the Conference Finals and the Finals.
Oh and keep in mind. Tracy McGrady was on the All-NBA THIRD team that year, He wasn't even on the 2nd team. So, Let me ask you how many All-NBA Third teammer have ever been a Top 5 player? The only one I could think of is Hakeem Olajuwon and that was the year he won the championship in 95, while T-Mac went fishing after the 1st round. Not a Tracy hater, I loved him that year but I'm objective enough to realize he wasn't a Top 5 player that season.
Let's see in 04-05 T-Mac led a starting line up with Bob Sura, 34 year old Jim Jackson, 34 year old David Wesley and Juwon Howard into the playoffs losing 4-3 to the Mavs. He did have Yao ming. But not the current Yao Ming. In 06-07 Yao played less than 50 games and yet we won over 50. Luther Head was our 4th highest scorer. In 07-08 T-Mac led the Rockets to 10 in a row without Yao and then a good series with the Jazz again without Yao. I agree he had the supporting cast (finally) but no Yao. In 2002-03 T-Mac led the Orlando Magic with 6.5 rbg, 5.5 assists, 1.7 steals, 0.8 blocks and of course 32.1 ppg in the regular season. And he took the Magic to a 3-1 lead over the Pistons before of course losing in 7. Just look at his CAREER playoff stats- 28.5 ppg, 6.9 RPG, 6.2 APG over 1 Block and Steal per game as well.
You're kidding right? Tracy McGrady in 2003, was better than Tim Duncan who won championship literally by himself that year? He was better than a Shaq who was still in his prime? Tracy McGrady was a Top 5 player the season, but jeez do not overrate him. That season, Kobe vs T-Mac was also debatable, I would favor T-Mac because he had more responsibilities that year though, but Kobe emerged as a star that season. So really. No, he was not better than all those players. 06-07 - Rockets were favorited and lost, Fault goes to Tracy. 07-08 - Rockets lost, the fault was Tracy but it's not as bad as last season's. 02-03 - 8th seed, and blew the 3-1 led. Still not a 50+ team win. I don't know where you got the idea he led a crappy team to 50+ wins before but again that's a myth.
LOL Manu Ginobli, Stephen Jackson, Tony Parker and HOF David Robinson were nothing? Didn't know that.. Shaq was 2nd in player efficiency and 4th in PPG game. Guess who was number 1. "favorited" is not a word, and to think you called me out on confusing your/you're in the other thread
You mean a young Manu Ginobili who was not even close to being an All-Star or even a starter? Stephen Jackson, Very nice role player. Nothing special far from an All-Star. Tony Parker? Very good role player then, was yet an All-Star that year and a HOF David Robinson that year? That played 23 minutes per game which is like coming off of a bench? Sorry, but that 2002-2003 season is the main reason Tim Duncan has that separates himself from any power forward to ever play the game of basketball. If you want to know why nobody ever talks bad about Tim Duncan just see the 2002-2003 season. Along with that he was the MVP that year. So we are going to determine Shaq a player who won a championship a season before? To a player that has proven nothing except win a couple of scoring titles? Yeah, I'm sure that's a debate.
I can see TMac coming back this year and leading us passed the first round. I can see it. My wife just patted me on the chest and said, "You're a good fan", sighed, and walked out of the room.
They were definitely better than Andrew DeClercq, Darrel Armstong, Drew Gooden and a young Mike Miller And yes we are because Shaq did not have to win a scoring title to keep his team afloat. Tracy did.
Because I was arguing that.... If you haven't gotten the point yet, Tim Duncan can win championships with nothing, while Tracy McGrady couldn't even get past the 1st round even with something he can't get past the 1st round. But nope, Tracy McGrady is still better. Oh and if you love PER so much, Who was better that season Sam Cassell or Allen Iverson? Cassell was 9th in PER that season while Iverson was 16. According to you, Cassell is greater. See those arguments are fun aren't they? Shaq led his team to the 2nd round only to get knocked out by 2003 NBA Champs that year.
