Texxx, your flippity flopping is making dizzity dozzy, so I must retire for the evening. Let me know which position (average stars or overall stars) you arrive at in the AM.
Bigtexxx- Rivals.com and ESPN.com have us rated at #3, USC jumped in at #2 within the last week or two. If you are saying that I was rating UT higher than we are, then yes, I made a mistake , we are actually #3. But to say we are actually #6 because of the "average stars" is wrong because guess what, they don't look only at the average stars to make their rankings. Look at it this way. You seem to want to use the "average stars" to calculate the ratings, you also seem to want to use the number of recruits to effect the ratings as well. Here we go: As it stands, UT has 25 recruits (2 5-Star recruits, 11 4-Star recruits, 12 3- Star recruits) for an average stars of 3.60. Let's say UT only had 20 scholarships to hand out this year. Most likely, it would have been 5 3-Star recruits that wouldn't have made it. Therefore, we would have had 2 5-Star recruits, 11 4-Star recruits, and 7 3-Star recruits, which in turn, would have raised our "average stars" to 4.25, which would have been significantly higher than any other team. So in essence, Texas' class size hurt them in terms of avg stars. You said you have to take into consideration the number of scholarships available (assuming you think it doesn't). You also said that the average number of stars should be considered too. I just showed you how the number of scholarships significantly effects the average number of stars. You said "in terms of average stars" we are ranked #6. But in the 2006 Team Rankings, we are ranked #3, and like I said before, there is absolutely nothing you can say or do that can change that. You can try as much as you can to try to bend and twist it so we it makes you feel better, but at the end, we still are #3.
Bottom line is this, we land Mouton, we have ten of the rival's top 100. we look good on the espn and scout lists as well. It's a talented enough group to play with anyone and imo, as long as you're top ten, it doesn't matter.
Thought this article might be appropriate considering the discussion. One final note: aTm only managed to pull 6 of the top 50 Texas players this year. Pathetic. http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;...ug=cnnsi-revisitingthere&prov=cnnsi&type=lgns Revisiting the recruiting rankings Stewart Mandel, SI.com A year ago next week, Tennessee fans basked in the glory (albeit temporarily) of landing the nation's No. 1 recruiting class. This year, that honor is expected to be bestowed on Florida. Question: Do such rankings necessarily equate to similar success on the field? Answer: Sometimes yes, sometimes, not at all. The best time to truly measure the strength of a recruiting class is several years later. Signing-day rankings are entirely theoretical, based on the assumption that all those "five-star" prospects will turn into college All-Americas -- and all those two-star guys the other schools signed will barely be able to put on their pads properly. Revisiting a class years later, however, often reveals that some of those five-stars never even became starters. Some flunked out, suffered too many injuries or transferred. Meanwhile, some other school's lesser-heralded recruits were busy playing their way to national championships and high NFL draft selections. SI.com reevaluated the consensus No. 1 classes over the most recent measurable five-year period (1999-2003). Some proved to be right on the money. Others went terribly awry. In each case, we also scoured other prominent classes that year and, where applicable, crowned a "revised" No. 1 based on how it turned out. Note: the consensus No. 1 class used for each year was the one tabbed No. 1 at the time by the majority of the following recruiting services: SuperPrep (Allen Wallace), Prep Football Report (Tom Lemming), The National Recruiting Advisor (Bobby Burton), National Blue Chips (Max Emfinger) and Scout.com (2002-03 only). 1999 No. 1: Texas Standouts: OL Derrick Dockery, DE Cory Redding, TE Bo Scaife, QB Chris Simms, DT Marcus Tubbs Starters: DB Rod Babers, OL Robbie Doane Busts: DB Monti Collie, WR Artie Ellis, WR O.J. McClintock, OL Alfio Randall, RB Ivan Williams Assessment: The presence of Simms and Redding, USA Today's offensive and defensive players of the year that season, created enormous expectations of Mack Brown's first full class, which, despite a five-year record of 50-15, was largely regarded as a disappointment. The class certainly produced some stars -- including five current NFL players -- but, in retrospect, wasn't all that deep. Who should've been: Miami Standouts: DB Julian Battle (All-SEC at Tennessee), DB Philip Buchanon, OL Vernon Carey, QB Ken Dorsey, WR Andre Johnson, OL Bryant McKinnie, RB Clinton Portis Starters: DB Maurice Sikes Busts: RB Jason Geathers, DL Marquis Johnson Assessment: Fresh off probation, the Hurricanes were still flying somewhat under the radar at the time, and the class failed to crack most top-10 lists. Dorsey, Johnson, Portis and McKinnie became the offensive stars of Miami's 2001 national championship team. McKinnie, Buchanon, Johnson and Carey were first-round NFL draft picks, and Portis the 2002 Offensive Rookie of the Year. 2000 No. 1: Florida Standouts: DB Guss Scott, TE Ben Troupe Starters: WR Kelvin Kight, WR Carlos Perez, DL Ian Scott, OL Shannon Snell, OL Max Starks Busts: QB Brock Berlin (transferred to Miami), DB DeShawn Carter, RB Willie Green, DL Darrell Lee, DB Tre Orr Assessment: Berlin was one of the most hyped recruits in years, so his failure to win the starting job at UF and subsequent transfer to Miami forever put a damper on this class, particularly when the Gators' slide to mediocrity began shortly thereafter under coach Ron Zook. In truth, the class wasn't a complete disaster like some Florida fans remember it, but it certainly didn't live up to its billing. Who should've been: Auburn Standouts: RB Ronnie Brown, QB Jason Campbell, LB Karlos Dansby, RB Rudi Johnson, DB Carlos Rogers, DB Junior Rosegreen Starters: LB Bret Eddins, FB Brandon Johnson, DL Jay Ratliff Busts: WR Silas Daniels, DL Marcus White (transferred to Murray State) Assessment: Campbell was the only nationally-prominent name in a class that cracked just one major top-10 list, but he, Brown, Rogers and Rosegreen were all cornerstones of the Tigers' 13-0 season in 2004, while Dansby was an All-SEC performer and Rudi Johnson, a junior college transfer, was SEC Offensive Player of the Year in his one season with the Tigers. 2001 No. 1: Florida State Standouts: RB Eric Shelton (transferred to Louisville), WR Craphonso Thorpe Starters: OL Milford Brown, DB Jerome Carter, DB Kyler Hall, WR P.K. Sam Busts: LB Chauncey Davis, LB Willie Jones, OL Ron Lunford, QB Adrian McPherson, DB Dominic Robinson Assessment: Of all the great classes FSU has assembled over the years, this one may go down as its most disappointing. Very few consistent starters emerged from the group. Robinson, considered one of the top skill players in the country that year, made very little impact, and McPherson's career was derailed by his legal troubles. Who should've been: LSU Standouts: WR Michael Clayton, DL Marquise Hill, DL Marcus Spears, OL Andrew Whitworth, OL Ben Wilkerson Starters: RB Joseph Addai, QB Rick Clausen (transferred to Tennessee), DB Travis Daniels, OL Nate Livings, OL Rudy Niswanger, DE Melvin Oliver, CB Ronnie Prude Busts: DL Brandon Washington Assessment: The experts weren't far off on coach Nick Saban's first full class, with one No. 1 vote and No. 2 or 3 from the rest. You can't ask for much more from a class that produced nearly all the star players from LSU's 2003 national title season and several starters from last year's SEC West champs. Clayton, Spears and Wilkerson were all Parade All-Americas who lived up to the hype. 2002 No. 1: Texas Standouts: OL Justin Blalock, LB Aaron Harris, TE David Thomas, DT Rod Wright, QB Vince Young Starters: DL Larry Dibbles, DL Chase Pittman (transferred to LSU), DE Brian Robinson, CB Aaron Ross, OL Lyle Sendlein, OL Kasey Studdard, RB Selvin Young Busts: WR Marquis Johnson, CB Edorian McCullough, DL Brian Pickryl Assessment: If you watched the Rose Bowl, you know this class -- led by top-rated quarterback Young -- certainly fulfilled its prophecy, though not without some hitches. Besides Young, Wright and Blalock, the most heralded prospects in the class were Dibbles, McCullough and Pickryl, none of whom became stars. After the Longhorns won the national championship with this class in 2005, it would be hard to argue Texas didn't deserve No. 1. Who should've been: Texas Texas may have held the top spot, but the Longhorns weren't a runaway winner. Close second: Ohio State Standouts: LB Bobby Carpenter, RB Maurice Clarett, LB A.J. Hawk, WR Santonio Holmes, OL Nick Mangold, QB Troy Smith Starters: OL Doug Datish, OL T.J. Downing, DB Tyler Everett, DB Nate Salley, DE Mike Kudla, DT Quinn Pitock, OL Rob Sims Busts: LB Mike D'Andrea, CB E.J. Underwood, QB Justin Zwick Assessment: No need for revision here, either; OSU was a consensus No. 2. Clarett had the biggest immediate impact, playing a huge role in the Buckeyes' 2002 title season, while Hawk, Holmes and Smith were the stars of the '05 team that beat Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl. Interestingly, Zwick was far more touted than Smith, and D'Andrea was rated much higher than Hawk and Carpenter. 2003 No. 1: LSU Standouts: RB Alley Broussard, QB JaMarcus Russell, S LaRon Landry Starters: OL Will Arnold, WR Dwayne Bowe, DB Jessie Daniels, QB Matt Flynn, WR Craig Davis Busts: RB Barrington Edwards (transferred to North Carolina), WR Amp Hill (transferred to South Florida), S Daryl Johnson Assessment: This class's ultimate legacy is yet to be determined, with headliner Russell among those with two seasons of eligibility remaining, but so far there haven't been quite as many breakout stars as expected. Bowe and Davis, arguably the biggest gets behind Russell, have been inconsistent. On the plus side, Daniels and Landry were freshman contributors to the '03 title team. Who should've been: USC Standouts: OL Sam Baker, RB Reggie Bush, OL Ryan Kalil, CB Will Poole, WR Steve Smith, RB LenDale White Starters: OL John Drake, QB John David Booty (projected), DT Sedrick Ellis, DE Lawrence Jackson Busts: RB Chauncey Washington, WR Whitney Lewis Assessment: At least one service did have the Trojans No. 1 on signing day, and others moved them up after Booty signed in the spring. Amazingly, in a class with a Heisman winner (Bush), a soon-to-be first-round draft pick at tailback (White) and numerous other stars of the past two BCS title games, the most heralded prospect in the entire class was Lewis, who has yet to pan out.
If you look at Mack's history, he offers people at camp, and many of those players are not highly ranked players. In fact, the majority of our early commits are not highly ranked. And at the end of every recruiting season, he always gives 1 or 2 scholarships to some unknown player - like Antwann Cobb this year even though we may have a greater need at CB - or could have saved it for a bigger class in 2007. Mack has to realize he can't just recruit the state of Texas because the state of Texas won't produce a Vince Young every year.
Please provide a link. If you are unable to provide a link to this, I have called you out. Your credibility is on the line. Go. K?Thx! (I love how you rehash this silly argument every 6 months or so....bottom line is that I've never paid for orangebloods)
texxx, are you implying that you have had unlawful access to legally protected Rivals.com (tm) content? This is very serious indeed if true. Very serious.
Man, how the heck am I supposed to dig that up? I guess I'll have to drop it, but you know the truth.
Use the search function. If you remember the post, surely you can spend a minute or two searching for it, especially when your credibility is on the line. I'm waiting.
I still don't understand your disappearance from the hangout for a while there bigtexxx...we really missed you in the UT threads w few weeks ago.
Atleast he has some credibility bigtexxx. Your pointless rants on UT is an absolute joke. Just like above, you have been completely disproved in almost all counts so you try to start another argument. You should really just do what you usually do when you get owned and leave the thread.
ignore the stars. great class by mack - one of his best. this class is the foundation to build on for the future. he filled needs and added depth across the board at every position. we even have a pegram-quality scholarship kicker (no more of this pino, mangum bs) the recruitment rankings are pretty silly anyways. theyre mainly done by journalists who have little scouting experience that like to push their own agendas (tom lemming?). also the star distribution isnt equitable among states. there are obviously alot more recruits from states like texas and cali, but only an x percentage can be the 5-star, 4-star prospects of the nation. also no one knows how these kids will turn out. most of them arent done growing and havent gone through a real strength&conditioning program. the point is, aside from the true elite classes, there really isnt a huge difference between a #3 class and a #10 class. JMO mack recruits early. so i dont think he'll ever have great success with OOS recruits (but hes never had a natl championship to work with so i dunno). his method works in texas because he pretty much revolutionized the recruiting landscape here. now when a kid doesnt commit early, schools start to question his loyalty or other things. mack really pushed the envelope when it comes to regional recruiting. as long as we outrecruit ou, a&m, tt, and to a lesser extent lsu we can be happy. and who cares if we dont get OOS prospects? we've always won with texas boys and will always win with texas boys.
You should never be talking about anyone else's credibility, given that you're consistently wrong on just about every college sports-related discussion on this board, especially in regards to UT.
Yes, sadly we weren't able to pick up any of them. It was tough with our prolonged coaching vacancy that was just recently filled. Plus we have academic requirements (we actually try to graduate our players! imagine that!) and tend to avoid criminals. We're really limited in our hunt for the best players, but I'd glad that we uphold the academic reputation of our university.
who cares about academics? we're on a sports forum. there are smart, successful people all over the world at all different schools. dont be mad that your school is insignificant. no one cares about rice.
oh and btw. my brother and father are both alumni of rice. i got deferred at rice but ut was my #1 anyways. the narrow-minded bookworm student body and the dorm room parties left my brother disillusioned about his whole college experience. there are more important things about college than your classroom education you know... austin >>>>> houston
