What's that remark for? I'm right for what I said. He goes into each game and gives it his all. Lord have mercy on your soul...
Thanks for generally agreeing with me but I do disagree with something you said. Hakeem pretty much had the best qualities of BOTH KG and TD. The low post game, footwork, fundamentals, lower body strength, and indefensible steady moves of Duncan, and the unworldly athleticsm for a 6"11" or taller guy like KG. He could not dribble like KG, but basically he was every bit as fast and quick (athletic) in a much more physically imposing (stronger) body. Remember, this is a guy who had close to 5 BPG, chased down guards regularly and was stronger than just about any center he faced prior to Shaquille. It is easy to forget Hakeem's freakish athleticsm he had in his prime and his younger days prior to his development as a BB player by watching his post 95 clips.
Can a humble and silent guy be overrated in NBA? No way. Only those exciting-dunking guys get this honor. IMO, at least now, Tim is better than KG. He is more reliable, and he makes people around him a lot better, he has a better decision-making ability. Plus, it is too early to say Duncan has peaked. He should have a lot of years ahead. -Littlefish
Actually you do agree with me. I didn't compare Duncan with Hakeem for their athleticism. I compared them for their dependability (bread and butter game), which KG lacks at this point. I agree that Dream could do everything KG can (and better) except handle.
If you haven't noticed, Garnett is not a great post-player. When he gets the ball on the low block, he is not super- effective like Duncan and Shaq are. For a guy who is 7 feet tall and very athletic, his overall offensive game is dissappointing to me. Way too many outside jumpers. To me, Garnett is the overrated player until he can take over games offensively like Duncan.
I beg to differ that Duncan can guard Shaq. Yes, he's effective in guarding him in the 4th quarter, but if you asked him to guard Shaq for 4 quarters, he would either foul out or be too exhausted to be effective on offense. Nontheless, he's the best player in the NBA. Overrated my ass. Look at the scrubs he won his 2 titles with. Duncan is becoming as good if not better than Olajuwon. One thing for sure is that at similar ages, Duncan probably gets the nod. Olajuwon was defintely a better athlete, but nowhere near as skilled as Duncan at age 26 or 27.
sorry, but i think you are way underrating dream. his numbers clearly dominate duncan's first 7 years.
Well, Yao is forming into the center of tomorrow. He will soon start producing every game if Francis can give him the damn ball!
It goes both ways. Yao has to DEMAND the damn ball. Anyway, I don't think is necessarily best with is back to the basket. He'd be pretty nice running the offense through the high post but that won't happen as long as Francis is here.
Duncan is nowhere near the defensive player Dream was. Hakeem was a far superior shot blocker, and look at the steals. Hakeem shot a higher percentage from the field and from the free throw line.
So most of agree us agree TD is the closest thing to "Dream lite" out there. Of course the gap between Hakeem and other quality big of his era (Malone, D Rob, Ewing, Shaq junior, Mutumbo) was bigger than TD from his contemporaries of Shaq senior, KG, Webber, Ben Wallace, old man Malone). Thus Hakeem was more distinguished from the rest even with a deeper, better group of big guys competiting during his time. That is no knock on Duncan though, still the best big man right now, and best player period. Hakeem can't say the latter as much because MJ was around most of his best years. Overall just a more elite group of NBA stars then.
I'm not reading this thread outside of the original posters statement. 1. no. tim duncan is by no means over-rated. he's one of the best all around players in the game and he's carried his team to two rings. 2. but yeah, he's kind of boring to watch (unless you're a spurs fan, a purist or a coach )
I actually find TD quite refreshing to watch, in comparison to some of flashy stuff that we see from other "elite" players. But you are not a great player, if you can't make free throws, sorry. Particularly as he has shot them relatively well in years past, and it appears to be a mental thing.
why does everyone keep arguing duncan as this big fundamental guy? i seriously don't get it...i think it only comes from the fact that he is the only guy who shoots bank shots regularly. he is no more fundamental than most of the great players in the league.
Yeah, Shaq is definitely not a great player...and that Wilt Chamberlain guy?? Man, he sucked...BTW, Duncan IS a 69.6% career FT shooter, which isn't exactly terrible. He's had seasons of .799 and .761 from the FT line, so it's not like he's always sucked. He's just having an off year. He definitley showed how overrated he is last night...
But that's my point... Shaq and Wilt never shot free throws well, for whatever reason. TD seems to have let it get into his head, and it's a mental thing, rather than anything else. I take your point about Shaq and Wilt, but, for crying out loud, I can make free throws... why can't they?
I'm sure Duncan could make 80% of his free throws in his driveway basketball goal or in an empty YMCA gym...
