Antonio McDyess - Rumors at Halftime

Vecsey is at it again! Please disregard this "muck-raker! McDyess is damaged goods; do we really need another one(i.e. Taylor and Rice)?

 

Whether you like these trades or not comes down to one thing: do you think Yao Ming will be a bust or not? Those that think Yao's going to be a bust agree with these trades, and those that think he could be a franchise player do not agree with the trades. I think that's basically what it comes down to..there's really no reason to try and rationalize it based on the player(s) we'd be getting in return. And none of us know the truth. But the fact is with this trade, that we would be giving the Nuggets WAY too much for McDyess if we gave up the #1, Griffin, and Taylor. You have to see that they are getting more value. The Nuggets do not have the upper hand in this deal. They're basically just desperately trying to get SOMETHING in return before McDyess leaves them with nothing after next season. But somehow, with that trade, the Rockets would look to be the desperate ones, and that just makes no sense. Lastly, can anyone guarantee McDyess will sign with the Rockets when his contract expires?

 

Yeah, but McDyess is not on the same level, nor has he ever been on the same level, as either of those two players are on now.

 

<i>McDyess if we gave up the #1, Griffin, and Taylor</i>

We would also get #5 overall. Also, getting rid of Taylor's contract is a good thing.

Realistically, if we pitched this deal to Denver, they would probably laugh at us.

 

I don't claim any basketball expertise, but I can see where we would seriously be shafted by Denver in that trade. As a fan, I certainly would howl. Now, I would consider an even exchange of Taylor for McDyess if you must -- an injured PF for an injured PF. I'd even grudgingly toss in a second rounder.

LOL!

That was the funniest paragraph I have ever read. The guy has one injury and everyone writes him off for the rest of his career. Granted Hill has one injury, but he came back too soon from it. If you would just "consider" Taylor for McDyess you are just blinded by bias. Taylor had a more major knee injury than McDyess, and he can't rebound, and he can't defend. Makes no sense.

 

That trade wouldnt work cap wise. Antonio has a max contract doesn't he.

Either way, no way we make that trade. Suddenly we find ourselves deficient in new areas and Cato would still be our center...

 

Although, I would not be in favor of this "rumored" deal, I was glad to read this thread.

Mo Taylor for McDyess??

WTF have you been smoking, thumbs??

aelliott made you look silly.

 

I wouldn't trade Griffin for McDyess straight up. Swapping the 1 for the 5 doesn't make me change my mind.

 

Vescey said the rumor was NOT TRUE. Hanna Storm(or whoever is the woman sitting next to Vescey) is the one who brought it up.

 

Sorry, I knew that was the part of the deal, I accidentally left it out. But are you serious? You think the Nuggets would laugh at that deal? I must misunderstand. Do you mean like a giddy laugh from sheer excitement? We would have pretty much rebuilt their team with one trade. They'd have Jason Williams and Eddie Griffin to build around while getting rid of a player who is going to leave anyway. Usually rebuilding consists of acquiring young players to build around. There's no way the Nuggets would ever come up with another trade that lands them two young prospects as highly-regarded as Jason Williams and Eddie Griffin. Then again, they did trade Van Exel and Lafrentz for Hardaway and Howard, so maybe you're right...they just might laugh at that trade after all.

 

Well . . . The big question is. . . why trade for MdcDyess
when we can get him for nothing at the end of next year?

Rocket River

 

#1
Mo Taylor
Cato or Rice

for

#5
Antonio McDyess
throw-ins
2nd rd pick


Explanation: DCkid is right, do u think McDyess wants to resign w/ scrub team. He blew his chance a few years ago when he signed w/ Denver. He was actually in the perfect situation when he was w/ Phoenix, but left anyway and considered Houston, b/c we had 2 hall of famers at that time (Barkley and Dream) and were still going for the title. Reason he didn't sign was b/c of our point guard (Maloney I believe). Then we get Francis the next year; I believe even someone on this board had actually talked to McDyess and asked if he regretted his decision in going to Denver, and the answer was yes.

Anyways, we are at a supreme advantage here. Denver has no big men, hell they were switching McDyess (in the few games he played at the end of the season) and J. Howard at the center position. They are desperate for big men and they are about to lose their best one next year in McDyess and won't resign J. Howard. I do think though that Griffen would be too much. Basically he is a #1 pick in his own, in the sense that Rudy and Carroll said they would take him if they had the #1...there were even rumblings about Washington taking him first, but ended up taking K. Brown as we all know.

They can take Cato, Taylor, and use the pick on Ming, or hell, they even need a pg and can take Williams with it. Truth is Denver sucks and they basically need anything and everything for their team. They want our pick, they are going to have to give up something, which in essence won't be that big anyways, b/c McDyess would end up leaving them anyways.

 

WARNING: Hottoddie-ish post.

Look, I worked this out. One problem? We also help Denver. Maybe too much. But you gotta give to get.

Houston receives:

PF Antonio McDyess
#5 draft pick (Caron Butler)
#24 draft pick (Dallas' draft pick)

Denver receives:

SF Glen Rice
PF Eddie Griffin
SF Latrell Sprewell
PG Charlie Ward
PF Kurt Thomas
#7 draft pick (I have no idea who they want)

New York receives:

PF Juwan Howard
#1 draft pick (Ming)

TRADE ACCEPTED

I, for one, don't think McDyess is damaged goods. He was kept out last year because you don't want your trade bait hurt; and he probably told the Nuggets, forget you...I'm outta here.

The Knicks get what they want: Ming; size; cap relief next year.

The Nuggets get near-expiring contracts and competitive players. The Nuggets need to make a move like this. Their franchise has a bad odor about it now; they need some long-term contracts.

Probably Denver dreamed about re-uniting Kidd and McDyess but Dyess has obviously nixed that by refusing to join his team overseas recently.

Rockets 2002-03 version:

Steve, Cat, Butler, Dyess, Cato, Mo, KT, T-Mo, (#15 = Jiri Welsch, Dallas draft pick = ?).

I wouldn't mind sending Mooch to New York if Jiri Welsch is all that and a bag of chips (backup 1/2).

You might still have to resolve KT's situation, but better to keep him until we know the health status of our primary 4's (Dyess, Mo), THEN trade him at a later date.

 

<i>Well . . . The big question is. . . why trade for MdcDyess
when we can get him for nothing at the end of next year? </i>

The simple anwer is...we won't have any cap space available to sign him.

 

<i>You think the Nuggets would laugh at that deal? I must misunderstand. Do you mean like a giddy laugh from sheer excitement? We would have pretty much rebuilt their team with one trade. They'd have Jason Williams and Eddie Griffin to build around while getting rid of a player who is going to leave anyway</i>

Yes, Denver would never do that deal. I agree getting Williams and Griffen for a player that they will lose for nothing isn't too bad. Of course, that isn't the situation. They've still got the #5 and they can still trade McDyess.

You're looking at it from a Houston fan's point of view. Go ask NugzFan or another Denver fan and I think you'll get a completeley different answer. If Denver wants to move McDyess they are going to start off making offers that include people like Andre Miller and Baron Davis. Both of those guys are highly regarded, yet their teams don't want to pay them the max. From Denver's perspective a deal like that coupled with the #5 pick is a better deal than Jay Williams and Eddie Griffen.

 

What's with this garbage of McDyess being "damaged goods"? The guy had ONE injury, and from what I heard is recovering really well. How many people said Kobe Bryant was damaged goods when he broke his wrist a few years back? How about when Jordan broke his foot? Or when Duncan tore muscles in his knee that caused him to miss the playoffs a few years back? As for Griffin being as good as McDyess right now, I like Griffin a lot, but lets get real here people! McDyess is a legit All-Star and one of the best PFs in basketball. Do I think Griffin will be a better player down the road then MCDyess? Yes, mostly because I think Griffin is more athletic, is a better shot-blocker, has a better perimeter game then McDyess, or at least will have that later in his career. Then again McDyess is still young and developing. I'd love to get McDyess, I wouldn't want to trade Griffin though, meaning we're likely not getting McDyess.

 

This is directed at no one in particular....I find it funny that some of the people who keep saying that Mcdyess is "damaged goods" are the same ones who think Mo T is going to help our team after his injury.

 

Seeing is not always believing, and stats can be deceiving. What if I showed you these numbers, 18 ppg, 9.9 rbg, 1.7 bpg. Not really all that much better then McDyess. Only 1 rpg better then McDyess. What if I told you I would trade the #1 pick for it? People would laugh, yeah he is putting up big number, but what's the big deal, we could get a franchise player for that. What if I told you that the guy whose number is barely higher then Antonio McDyess was Kevin Garnett?

 

Actually, MoT's was a torn right achilles tendon; you know, that huge b*stard at the back of your ankle-TORN. So I definitely agree with you here. How many players have come back strong after a torn ACL or MCL? A lot more than those with torn Achilles is the only thing I know for a fact. But hey, the latter does at least make you gain some weight. Maybe we should draft Ming and bring him and Eddie in one day to have their Achilles torn.