Anti Mosque Rally shows the true racist colors of these idiots

more on the biggest state sponsored/condoned/ordered/inspired systematic mass murder for people too lazy to look it up

what did the German people do?

no way Hitler was drive by his religious beliefs?

 

Sigh. Here comes trouble...

No, are you?

An ideology, and a religion, and a political world view, and so on and so forth.

A lot more power and a lot more money, but yes.

Indistinguishable, except for the obvious role religion played in 9/11. Whereas nationalistic pride was the driving force behind the whole Nazi occupation thing.

It is coincidence in that it could have happened in any given country or territory. Unless you think that German people are INHERENTLY evil. All men are susceptible to pride, hatred, violence, deception, manipulation, etc. That stuff doesn't know any national boundaries.

Patriotism and pride are not good things.

The perps are indeed Hitler and OBL. OBL was driven by the Islamic doctrine though, among other things. Hitler was driven by his own desire for power and pride/prejudice, as OBL was too no doubt.

There would be no religious terrorism for sure. Political terrorism would still exist of course. But hey, it'd be nice to knock out a big chunk of the terrorism motivation.

Those are pretty outrageous claims, care to back any of it up? Or is this just the typical Mathloom angry, hollow rant I've come to expect?

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Islam, just like the other Abrahamic faiths, justifies killing people who blaspheme or attack the faith, seeks ultimately to spread islam and rule the world (by force if necessary), promotes the subjugation of women, and so on and so forth. Along with many other barbaric practices. That's not all it says, of course, but it's in there unfortunately, along with all the nice peaceful stuff. Of course, since you are more interested in defending Islam than promoting peace or preventing violence, you will cherry pick your interpretation of Islam and claim that anyone else isn't really a Muslim. Sucks for you, go find another religion if you don't like being associated with that. I hear jainism is pretty peaceful, maybe you'd like that?

Did you not notice how I said that lust for power, pride, and prejudice (those three things basically cover pride, greed, discrimination, nationalism, classism, racism...) were the primary drivers of the nazi movement? Did you even read my post? It's like talking to a brick wall with you, Mathy.

 

no- the one action was stupid, fear based racism. the other is common decency.

have the same and see the difference.

 

"The old beliefs will be brought back to honor again. The whole secret knowledge of nature, of the divine, the demonic. We will wash off the Christian veneer and bring out a religion peculiar to our race."

"Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country] ... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity ... We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press—in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past ... [few] years."

"I say: my feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Saviour as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to the fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as sufferer but as fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and of adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before—the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world some two thousand years ago—a civilization which was driven to its ruin through this same Jewish people."

"We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity ... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people."

"The Government of the Reich, which regards Christianity as the unshakable foundation of the morals and moral code of the nation, attaches the greatest value to friendly relations with the Holy See, and is endeavouring to develop them."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler

Nazism was NOT just about Nationalism from point 24 of the programme (NAZI constitution)

We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession. It combats the Jewish-materialist spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health from within only on the principle: the common interest before self-interest.

 

Yeah, much to the chagrin of Christians, Hitler did reference Christianity sometimes. Although I didn't bring that up, because there's always deniers of that... and I didn't feel like getting into that stupid "Hitler was an atheist!" debate. Just more evidence of religion sucking a big fat one.

 

Point is it's counter to your notion that 9/11 was based on religion while the Holocaust was not.

 

I'll gladly concede that point, as my beef is not with just Islam, but religion itself.

I still feel that nationalistic/racial pride had more to do with Nazi Germany than religion did.... while the reverse is true with 9/11.

 

Not much. I just kept having to repeat myself over and over again in some thread about something or other where you similarly wanted everything in black and white while hollering about YES or NO.

I suggest that you take the time to read what people actually write to you. It saves a lot of time in the long run.

 

simple multiple question for you:
did majority of Germans participate in the holocaust because they were all 1)nationalists OR 2)racists OR 3)both?

 

Nine years ago, a bunch of radical Islamic nutjobs killed 3,000 Americans.

Now, an Islamic man wants to build a Mosque at and/or near Ground Zero. A bajillion Americans are pissed off about it.

What the HELL does Adolf-freaking Hitler have to do with ANY of this??

 

It's interesting as Jews were the ones persecuted and the Jews are Jews because of their faith not necessarily because of their ethnicity or race. For example we could all be Jews if we so chose, just convert.

On 9/11 Christians or non Muslims were not specifically killed or targeted, Americans and America was.

So you have two parts to this, was the movement brought about by religion and were the intended victims chosen based on their religion?

For the Holocaust I would say yes to both and for 9/11 a maybe on the first and a no on the second.

 

Muslims killing muslims in the name of Islam isn't exactly an unheard of concept, either. So the fact that Muslims died on 9/11 shouldn't shock anybody. It's a very fractured faith... reflective of how ambiguous the religion is. The victims weren't chosen because of their religion, they were chosen, rather, because of their lack of the 'correct' religion.

 

Yes, Mulsim terrorists have killed more Muslims than anyone else.

 

the point is that Islam didn't do a damn thing to the WTC. So why oppose a Muslim community center blocks away from Ground Zero?

 

after getting stumped you finally admit you don't want to get into a debate with me regarding about the Holocaust

 

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that I was trying to debate you about the Holocaust in a thread about a Mosque.

 

Okay if they were chosen based on the incorrect religion then why not hit a Church like that one that burned the Koran? Why indescriminately kill whoever happened to be in a building that was surely populated with a diverse group of people? It was NY after all diverse capital of the world.

Several quotes from Bin Laden have indicated it was AMERICA they wanted to disrupt and destroy.

"Free people do not relinquish their security. This is contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom. Let him tell us why we did not strike Sweden, for example."

"This war in Iraq makes millions of dollars for big corporations, either weapons manufacturers or those working in the reconstruction, such as Halliburton and its sister companies. . . It is crystal clear who benefits from igniting the fire of this war and this bloodshed: They are the merchants of war, the bloodsuckers who run the policy of the world from behind the scenes. President Bush and his ilk, the media giants, and the U.N. . . all are a fatal danger to the world, and the Zionist lobby is their most dangerous member. God willing, we will persist in fighting them. . ."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden

Now yeah I know there are numerous quotes about how we hate all Christians and Jews, etc.

Still it the intended targets are not based on religion as much as they are Nationality. As the POS said himself "Let him tell us why we did not strike Sweden, for example."

It's not like there aren't Christians in Sweden.

 

Because the attacks weren't purely religiously motivated, something I openly admit to and have already stated in this thread.

If you've got money, power, and geo-politics on your agenda, as well as killing infidels, the WTC seems like a prime target.

 

do you remember what was I talking about when you butted in?

 

Interesting statement:

Spoiler

Ron Paul http://www.ronpaul.com/2010-08-20/r...iots-stop-your-demagogy-about-the-nyc-mosque/