Anti Mosque Rally shows the true racist colors of these idiots

Someone basically said: 9/11 = In the name of Islam (as in, inspired by Islam)

Someone countered: Holocaust = In the name of Germany (as in, inspired by Germany)

I think this comparison is bunk, as while the holocaust may have been perpetrated by the Germans, there was nothing inherent about Germany that caused it. The violent directives they received were from men in power that were driven by all those things I listed before, pride, power, prejudice, etc. The same vices all men fall to.

Meanwhile, Islam was a direct contributor to the motivation for 9/11, and the link between the hijackers and the divine inspiration is apparent. The violent directives the hijackers received came directly from the dogma. There is something inherently flawed in Islam that led to this violence. That is why the two cannot be compared.

 

Clearly the people there live did not see any sort of video (unless they were shooting him by looking at an LCD screen on their camera). I suppose the people who started the chant could not have seen the man from behind or far away either, where neither the flag necklace nor the logo on the hat would be visible?

I am not familiar enough with the subcultures of New York to differentiate the Staten Islanders from the Manhattenites, from the Brooklyn people, from ... I will take your word for it that a brief glimpse of a hat resulting in a mistaken identification of said hat makes someone seem more like one than another.

Back to my original query though, is there any evidence of racism, or was that more baseless attacks against people whose political ideology differs from the OP and you. I also still don't understand your use of quotes around the word taqiyah. I am referring to this: linkage

 

not today, but then, yes. we can blame Nazism, Hitler, etc, but those were Germans manning the gas chambers and ovens, or looking the other way.

 

was Islam OBL's inspiration for 911? or did he just used the name of Islam for his own purposes?

just like how God talked to Bush about the war right?

what dogma is it? is it something general like "kill evil men"?

 

Were all German citizens responsible? The Scholls, Hitler Youth, a certain Joseph Alois Ratzinger, Oscar Schindler, Erwin Rommel, Stauffenberg, the women and children of Dresden, the Catholics who rioted against euthanasia measures, those who sheltered Anne Frank, those who did not vote for the Nazis, the political prisoners held within concentration camps, the Goebbels children, those who sympathized with the Internationale and conspired to bring the Nazis down from 1933 onwards-etc.

It's a messy business tacking down large groups of people for the crimes of the few.

 

i'm not going to get into an existential argument about which germans were responsible, but make no mistake, we were at war with Germany, just as we were at war with Japan, not just Hirohito (and his generals/admirals.)

we weren't at war with Lutheranism, Catholicism, or Shintoism.

However, Islam, or a significant portion thereof, is now at War with the US, and indeed, all of modern civilization. in some instances it may be fronted by a nationstate (Iran), but in the main, it a virulent form of Islam.

we do ourselves, the soldiers we would ask to die for us, as well as peaceful muslims the world over, a grotesque disservice should we deny that basic fact.

 

I don't know what the big deal is letting them build it. We all know it's going to be bombed or burned down within a year. It's just a bad idea all around.

 

Haven't read the whole thread but all across this nation there are Native Americans who would like Christians to stop building churches on their land.

Something about germ warfare, Trail of Tears, broken treaties, massacres of women and children.

Never mind it's probably not relevant.

 

O'Sullivan's second use of the phrase became extremely influential. On December 27, 1845 in his newspaper the New York Morning News, O'Sullivan addressed the ongoing boundary dispute with the United Kingdom in the Oregon Country. O'Sullivan argued that the United States had the right to claim "the whole of Oregon":

"And that claim is by the right of our manifest destiny to overspread and to possess the whole of the continent which Providence has given us for the development of the great experiment of liberty and federated self-government entrusted to us"

Historian William E. Weeks has noted that three key themes were usually touched upon by advocates of Manifest Destiny:

1.the virtue of the American people and their institutions;
2.the mission to spread these institutions, thereby redeeming and remaking the world in the image of the U.S.; and
3.the destiny under God to accomplish this work

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_Destiny

Scale huh? Millions of Native Americans murdered because it was the destiny under God to move west? A Providence designed destiny supported and carried out by the government, who used religious based rhetoric to justify it?

"The whole continent of North America appears to be destined by Divine Providence to be peopled by one nation, speaking one language, professing one general system of religious and political principles, and accustomed to one general tenor of social usages and customs. For the common happiness of them all, for their peace and prosperity, I believe it is indispensable that they should be associated in one federal Union."

John Quincy Adams


Until I see some churches being torn down that used to reside on Indian land, those demonstraters need to shut their hypocritical pieholes.

 

Both. Just like men have done throughout time, and will do throughout time, as long as religions exist.

If Bush invaded Iraq because he said god told him to do it, then yep.

killing infidels, defending the faith, martyrdom, etc.

 

Did war against Germany justify discrimination against German-Americans? Same question with Japan, but even more loaded. We all know the internment camps were a big mistake.

Besides, your whole premise is flawed. "Islam or a significant portion thereof" is fighting modern civilization? I had a sneaking suspicion that countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey, Morocco, Indonesia and etc. were significant pillars of modern civilization. True, there are extremists out there. But to refuse the moderates within your own nation-that's just going to create even more extremism for no godd*** good reason.

 

Oh yeah, I remember you....you're that guy who doesn't bother reading what was written:

Yep:

Moving on....

 

You mean someone who was born German, or in Germany, in the 1940s, without having any interaction with the Nazi party, would turn into a blood thirsty monster?

That is what inherent evil would be.

 

so the ones who perpetuated the Holocaust are they nationalists YES or NO?

and thanks for remembering me I must have bruised you up pretty bad

who are you and what did I do to you again?

 

does constitutions contain something about killing the enemy, defending the country, and sacrificing/dying for the country?

 

No, the constitution does not make it ok to go kill people willy nilly.

 

are you suggesting that asking the mosque be built a few blocks further away is somehow equivalent to the internment of japanese americans during WW2?

 

Are you freaking joking?

9/11 was done in the name of an ideology propagated by men with power and money.

The holocaust was done in the name of an ideology propagated by men with power and money.

It is indistinguishable, except for the fact that no government directly participated in 9/11, whereas a government actually organized the holocaust. Systematic murder of millions of people, including jews, homosexuals and blacks. Could the discrimination be any more diverse?

Do you think there were no people in Germany who immediately yelled "YES!!!!" when Hitler was spewing his hatred? Do you know how many people were murdered? Do you think it makes sense that being under the banner of Germany was a coincidence when the concept of German pride and German pure blood was so repeatedly cited in speeches?

No, the reality is that Hitler wanted something and he used patriotism/pride (in itself, a good thing) to manipulate a set of people. Just like OBL used Islamic pride to manipulate a set of people. That doesn't mean "Proud to be German" is a bad thing or that building a mosque is a bad thing. It has nothing to do with it. The perpetrators are Hitler and OBL, not Islam and German patriotism.

Religion causes all this mess and there would be no terrorism if not in the name of religion. Right.

You've said very clearly that you have a will to eliminate the influence of religion in the world, and that is your right, but with every biased and hypocritical statement you make, trying to weasel your way into an explanation, you are less likely to have any shred of credibility.

If you're going to sit here and claim that a person who is Muslim will reach the conclusion that he must resort to violence without any human influence and purely through reading Islamic text, then please back up your claims. I look forward to it, but most likely I will hear your age-old "we don't need to go through this again, its obvious, everyone knows." How convenient for you.

If you are uncertain about whether there were multiple elements such as racism, classism, minority discrimination, nationalism, pride, greed and terrorism in play during Hitler's reign and during the holocaust, then please pick up any book in the world about Hitler and start reading because you're almost a century behind.

 

where in the Quran does it say it's okay to kill anyone?

 

I'm saying that the same attitude and spirit is imbued within both ideas-and that if the American people are not careful, a slippery slope may lead them once again to actions they will regret in the future.