Anti Mosque Rally shows the true racist colors of these idiots

The Cordoba Initiative, of which Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is founder and chairman, is a multi-faith non-profit organization whose aim is to improve relations between different communities, and in particular between the Muslim world and the United States of America.

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If this assessment is true, I'd say this fuels the argument that Islam needs one hell of a makeover even more than it did before.

Thanks for the response.

 

You've repeated this r****ded "dome of the landing gear" joke many times now. It wasn't very funny, and the sad part is you appear to have stolen it from nutjob lunatic hate blogger Pamela Geller.

Well done. I would expect nothing more of you.

 

"Dome of the Landing Gear?" Really? You claim to be from NYC but no one from NYC would use that to describe anything about 9/11.

Have some respect dude. Making light of that stuff shows you must have just moved to NYC recently.

From Mars.

 

who is sniffing whose jock?

hmmmmmm

 

Who is giving it to the basso?

hmmmmmm....everyone?

 

basso using the 9/11 tragedy as a prop to advance a political argument? man, I haven't seen anything that offensive since Palin used Trig as a prop

 

I don't think Islam needs a makeover as much as the people in power in the Islamic world need to be replaced. Power must be taken out of the hands of those who want this kind of mentality to succeed.

I think that's what you meant anyway. I definitely agree that the political landscape in the Middle East requires major reform. It's perhaps the only region in the world which boasts kingdoms, has the money to reform, and is proud of not being democratic.

Wahabbist Islam, at the moment, is being pushed by people who are too powerful in the Middle East to be critisized. Then there's the fact that they protect each other - there's always been a premise that if one dictator falls, the others will follow shortly so they all cover for each other (leaders of oil-rich nations).

Thankfully, there are a couple of things which are helping the situation:

1) Mass immigration
2) Exponential increase in access to information (internet, satellite tv, social media)

They are worried by the way about these things. Which is why the internet is still censored. It would also cause them to do crazy things because of the paranoia of people being critical behind doors, congregating and forming groups with political agendas - the crackdown on this stuff is incredible. There are probably more cameras per square mile in the UAE, for example, than anywhere else in the world. Phone lines can be tapped, no need to justify it, no law protecting citizens from it. Internet/telecomms/tv networks are heavily government-affiliated, and supervised by a regulatory authority which has not demonstrated a shred of independence IMO.

Who knows, it may cause they to do something completely insane like take on the RIM network and threaten a ban of the blackberry unless they are able to monitor what people are saying on it.

Oh wait.

The chokehold on Islamic reform is a bit too tight right now. I imagine it will only change when Western countries change their foreign policy towards these countries which would probably only happen if oil runs out or becomes obsolete.

Otherwise, have a think about it... This psychotic ideology brainwashed and produced 15 of the 19 September 11 terrorists. If someone had asked you the day before "What would it take for the US to sever ties with Saudi Arabia?" I think what happened the next day would have been top of the list.

Anyways, I can ramble on about this for hours. You should watch that House of Saud thing. I was very impressed by it, it's almost completely true.

 

No this is not true. They would not cause such an uproar in the United States. They also don't support the ideology being preached at the mosque.

Do you think the propagaters of Wahabbist ideology want to see a peace Islamic center which is open to all faiths?

Seems you didn't understand House of Saud at all. Such a move would undoubtedly cause them major problems.

There are non-Saud people in Saudi Arabia who are richer than entire countries. The money can come from anywhere.

But it doesn't matter, the government certainly does background checks and checks on "source of funds" before the money can be injected from outside into the US. We both know that. If not, you should be protesting the terrible rules and regulations rather than the mosque.

 

Wasnt Al-Qaida created by the US govermant to fight the soviet union and Iran and it backfired .. Yes they are muslim extremist and they acted to "defend the islamic nation" as they proclaim ..

In another post U said no abrahamic relegions are perfect .. Well their nothing but perfect its how they are interpeted they may present them to you this way ..

Its unfortuante the some people have already made their Judjment but U see a better awarness of what Islam is in houston .. Because when a person from houston thinks about islam the first thought that comes to them is Hakeem and the person he was on/off the court ..

2 Pages through I didnt see this posted but this is the best opinian I heard about the whole issue maybe because it conveniet for me .. but still

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZpT2Muxoo0

 

So was Abu Ghraib In the name of America ..
Maybe but I dont read on the forehead of every american that I meet ..
I leave some room for judjement later on .. I dont blame every american for what happened ..

Nobody condemns one billion muslims for what 20 muslim did or the thousands that agreed with them even if they proclaimed later on that they did in the name of the 1 Billion ..

You're thinking like them all Qaida condemned what the US govermant did to the whole population of america .. and then acted upon the thought ..

There's a war between two sides and were stuck right in the middle of it ..

 

Not quite. The mujaheddin in Afghanistan were fighting the soviets who had invaded. The US gave weapons and training to them (mostly to screw over the Soviets). Among them was Osama bin Laden. OBL later founded al-Qaeda with the purpose not of resisting the Soviets, but to advance the idea of a worldwide Caliphate, or at least one covering the region, where non-Islamic influences are removed.

So, the United States armed and trained the people who would later go on to create al-Qaeda, but it was not itself created by the US government to fight the Soviets, and certainly not to fight Iran.

 

Thats the official story .. U could be right though and what I heard was a conspiracy theory .. Too bad neither me or U have proof to back our stories up ..

 

It's interesting that you chose this part to post as indicative of the organization because it's from the FAQ and obviously posted after this uproar over this mosque. They're apparently about as multi-faith as the NAACP is multi-racial.


What does Cordoba Initiative Do?

Thought

* Advising policy makers and thought leaders on urgent Muslim-West issues
* Bringing new perspectives to familiar debates
* Providing expert knowledge of Islamic Law and other technical subjects for use in the public square


Action

* Building a network of young Muslim leaders to lead the drive for change in future generations
* Responding to Muslim-West crises
* Advocating for human rights, including higher standards for the treatment of women


Outcomes

* Raising the bar of Islamic governance in Muslim-majority countries
* Changing perceptions of the other in both the Muslim World and the West
* Fostering cooperation between governments, civil society organizations, media, academics and business leaders in the Muslim World and the West

 

What I don't get is that Imam Feisal is a Sufi Muslim and terrorists(wahhabi's) hate Sufism. I don't see a connection between the two. I believe it would be a slap in the face of the terrorists if a mosque with the lead imam being a Sufi was built.

 

I'd further argue that mathloom's great commentary here is indicative of the "growing pains" often referenced in regards to Islam. While it is a bit of a stretch to call Islam "new" relative to Christianity, one can certainly see the parallels between the misled (and usually very poor) early Christians of Europe and the poor Muslims aforementioned.

That being said, a certain amount of anger towards non-Muslims does seem inherent to even the most moderate follower of Islam: mathloom himself is unable to rectify simultaneously his desire for free speech with his anger at those who would insult his religion (this is not a barb by any stretch, just a fact). Of course, this is not wholly unexpected as the topic is sensitive - the issue is in the reaction. There are a myriad of more subtle and effective ways to address those who insult one's religion than rioting and publicly wishing death upon them. Unfortunately, the latter method seems popular and only furthers much of the perception espoused by ATW and others like him (anti-mosque morons).

As it is, this is really all a moot point regarding the topic at hand, since the organization in question is not even really "Muslim" per say. Actually, it's exactly what, under ordinary circumstances, these same idiot protesters demand as "restitution" for whatever atrocity is currently making the news circuit - a multicultural outreach effort by moderate Muslims. The fact that folks like ATW are willing to ignore this rather glaring contradiction only further illuminates their obvious bigotry. Of course, ignorant and paranoid bigotry is a staple of American culture - but it's perturbing to see it so blatantly demonstrated post the 1960s. In many ways, I think this anti-Muslim, anti-Obama tea party hate-wave is 50+ years of pent up anger at the slow deterioration of the prior status quo.

 

I say we ban organized religion and tear down all houses of worship. Everyone can worship the god, or gods, of their choice in the privacy of their own home.

Too much blood has been spilled trying to prove one god is better than another.

 

And you are opposed to the above for what reason?

 

Sounds like a plan.