Anti Immigrant/Muslim Big Seller in Gemany ATW Explained?

Again you live in the states... You should know that Christians in this country are more about forcing their religion upon others than other religions. I find Muslims to leave others alone.

 

I think the problem here is that people are trying to discuss with da whopper as if he's interested in discussion or facts.

He isn't. He's interesting in pushing an agenda and creating a false narrative. Maybe it's based on paranoia, ignorance, or just plain trolling. Who knows?

 

da Whopper if you find that Muslims are trying to spread their sharia law in the west, then go up to a Muslim in the Houston area(plenty of them there) and ask them "good sir, why are you trying to force sharia law on us good people kind sir".


Then post his facial expression he makes after you as him that. It might be similar to this...

 

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It has been left largely to journalists and to think tanks like Policy Exchange and the Centre for Social Cohesion to study and expose radicalisation in schools and universities. Last night, Panorama’s John Ware revealed that 5,000 children in more than 40 Saudi Students’ Schools and Clubs in the UK were being taught anti-Semitism, homophobia and other tenets of sharia. Michael Gove promises that his department will extend its remit to ensure it can stamp out such teachings in part-time schools. Mr Gove is the author of Celsius 7/7, a brilliant analysis of how the perverted totalitarian ideology that is Islamism developed out of “a great, historical faith” that has brought spiritual nourishment to billions. Asked to define extremism, he has explained that ''you know it when you see it”. ​

 

dude dont you live in the good ole south in the States? Come on be honest... How many times have you heard "we should nuke the entire middle east" Both sides spread hate and fear.

 

Santa gets the heave ho in Head Start, offended Muslims
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Dude this is awesome, can you post more?

I thought I'd go out of my way to defend something, turns out you're making my points for me!

 

About the National Head Start Association
The National Head Start Association is a private not-for-profit membership organization dedicated exclusively to meeting the needs of Head Start children and their families. It represents more than 1 million children, 200,000 staff and 2,600 Head Start programs in the United States. The Association provides support for the entire Head Start community by advocating for policies that strengthen services to Head Start children and their families; by providing extensive training and professional development to Head Start staff; and by developing and disseminating research, information, and resources that enrich Head Start program delivery.

http://www.nhsa.org/about_nhsa

Sounds like a socialist jobs program to me... and now it's un-ahmurkan and mooslim. You should write a letter to them about how very angry you are now that some kids are going to have to go to the mall to see santa.

 

da Whopper is a troll. Do not feed him.

 

Hmm, I seem to remember another book in history that spread like wildfire in Germany... oh what was it called... Mein Kampf? I forget the author, of course.

In all seriousness, I don't think ATW's as nutty as you're insinuating. A bit bigoted, but nothing extremist.

 

Ja same.

 

Seperation of Church and state is the ONLY way government can work.

DD

 

Sharia Law? Beeeleeeve IT!

 

tell that to people like Sarah "the maverick" Palin.

 

And Nancy Pelosi.

“To the American Medical Association, the Catholic Health Association, the United Medical — the United Methodist Church, and Voices of America’s Children. From A to Z — they are sending a clear message to Members of Congress: Say yes to health care reform,” Ms. Pelosi proclaimed from the House floor.

 

Exactly - it's funny, he can't resist responding to me. I never said I would not respond to him, but he said he would not...and lied again. As usual.

 

You'd be surprised.

I once brought up the comments from the author to ATW and he didn't disagree with at least the few instances.

He's also been fairly supportive of Geert Wilders IIRC.

He was also for the Burqa ban. For Muhammad cartoon day. For the Danish cartoons. Mostly in agreement of the "failed multicultural" project in Germany. Against people praying in public, while hinting particularly at Muslims. A clear disdain for Dubai and Qatar, and a slight-moderate disdain for almost every Muslim and/or Arab country ever mentioned on this board. Highly critical of Turkish people and the Turkish government.

Just to cite a couple of more things, I remember him telling a story about how he knew a couple of good Muslim guys who happened to like to drink. Has clearly categorized Muslims on this board in two groups, where it's clear that he prefers the group that is highly critical of Islam and Muslims. In perhaps 3 or 4 instances where he has liked what I said, it was incidentally the times where I was being (unfortunately) aggressively critical of Islam.

He's expressed several times that Muslim immigrants to Europe should conform to cultural norms instead of fusing with the culture, and that the country should be picking only highly skilled immigrants which seems to hint that the rest are not welcome despite Germany's dire need for an energized labor force.

Among other things. While my memory may be blurry (GOD FORBID THERE IS A SLIGHT INACCURACY), the overall picture has a very clear direction IMO. Obviously, he will nit pick at all these things, which kind of shows reinforces the point I'm trying to make - to certain people the bigger picture does not really exist. They don't see that the entire body of quasi-evidence points in a very clear direction, despite technicalities here and there. Which, again, you will notice it's quite common for those people to use the rationale which they have just rejected to favor their own arguments. "No matter how much proof you show that Islam doesn't preach terrorism, the overall body of information is very clear." I'm pretty sure he has said soemthing to that effect in the past when IIRC FranchiseBlade supplied him with scores of Islamic leaders denouncing terrorism. Again I'm just going off my memory.

In general, there is just a very very long list and there don't seem to be any real outliers, which I would say is statistically highly unusual.

While the book you mentioned is nothing near the realm of Mein Kampf, it is interesting how it has sort of "rallied the troops" in this instance. If most of the supporters of that book share the beliefs of ATW and I was a Muslim in Germany, I would feel extremely edgy and unstable right now, not to mention very very isolated. This creates a dangerous situation for the general innocent population of Germany, and I think that's just a terrible situation to have. It's as if they are intent on creating a hot spot for terrorist recruitment - why would they want to do that???

Sad story for humans IMO.

 

Have you read the book? Otherwise, how do you know what you are talking about? Oh right...you don't. But that's nothing new.

And yes, your summary above is pretty accurate, except that I don't know enough about Wilders to be "supportive" of him - I just said that I don't think he is a racist or xenophobe in general. Populist, yes, for sure, but to compare him to Nazis is crazy.

I am:

- for the burqa ban
- in favor of defending free speech, which includes Muhammad cartoons
- of the opinion that prayer is like sex - do as much as you want, but no need to do it ostentatiously in public

If you disagree, that's fine, but for someone like you who explicitly stated numerous times that he wants the cartoonist to "live in fear for the rest of his life" over a cartoon he drew to act like you can claim any kind of moral superiority here is ridiculous.

 

Fake fur still keeps ya warm, grumpshaker. You gonna read Christopher Hitchens to some kid in a cancer ward?

 

lol, but if he's said he won't respond to you, why do you keep on quoting and replying to him?