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EDIT: i feel sorry for you

 

why do feel sorry for me?

 

I'm saying it's anyone's particular sin, but sin the sin that we're born with, the sin that's around us.

 

So a two week old baby who dies of whooping cough died because of sin? I find that hard to believe that many Christians would accept that.

 

All I'm saying is physical death is a symptom of sin and that death was unnatural until sin came.
That's your opinion.

 

Again, the reason why all people die is the result of sin. The baby died because of the sickness and disease. There were no diseases until after the Fall. I'm talking about original sin, sin handed down to us by our first parents. Yes, not every Christian believes this, that's fine.

 

So its someone else's sin that causes a 2 week old to die of whooping cough? So God punishes people for the sins of others? I just saw that you mentioned Original Sin and I can see how that would make sense for the most literal reading that every single death or disease would be caused by Original Sin. Frankly that is one of the thing that I find the most problematic about Christianity that essentially we are born condemned due to something we have no responsibility for.

I will agree with you that's Biblical but I doubt that most Christians take that literally if the two week old dies from whooping cough I doubt there are many Christians who will say it was sin that killed that child. Or for that matter if an 80 year old dies of heart failure I doubt many would say they died from sin.

 

MacBeth, I thought more (be it little more) of you than to start faulty religious debates on the internet. Sin must have overcome you. Tsk Tsk.

 

Do you really believe that there was an Adam and Eve? The story makes no sense. Don't you think that instead it was probably just a metaphor so that people that couldn't understand would be able to comprehend God and sin?

 

None of us are innocent. God chose to save us through Jesus so that all of us may be saved. All of us eventually die, and yes even those we say are good people and babies. But death is not the end and there is more to this life. We die so that may be reborn. I trust in God's grace and just because a baby dies, there is hope for that baby to be with God forever in heaven.

 

Yes I do.

 

A 2 week old baby is innocent and has not sinned. Thats why I think the result of sin is NOT physical death. What happens afterwards is.

 

Ok. That's your belief and I have my belief to. Was there death before sin?

 

Does the story make sense to you in your mind? I'm not asking for a science experiment, just common sense. If the story had been a metaphor, does it take away from God's greatness? Jesus told "parables" all of the time. Couldn't a lot of stories from the OT be God's Parables so that the masses of that day could understand? Many of them just do not make sense in a literal sense.

 

I cannot answer that and neither can you or anyone else. Sin and death have always been constants.

 

So you're speaking of sin in the much grander meaning of the word, the Original Sin that came with the fall of man in the garden of Eden (first perpretrated by a woman, of course.)

How does this hold any resonance with people living their daily lives and having bad things happen to them? Are you just saying God's plan is a mystery and sh*t happens? It would make a lot more sense than saying that babies with genetic disorders die because of sin.

Most people would like to think that there is some karmic retribution for good and bad deeds either in this lifetime or the afterlife. (I don't see it that way, necessarily, myself.)

This talk of original sin has always been nonsensical to me. Just an explanation for things that can't be explained. "Oh, sh*t happens. Well, that's god's plan."

Do you believe that gays choose to be gay or that they are born gay?

 

It actually makes perfect sense to me. It explains why there is death and suffering in the world, because of our rebellion against God. I believe that Adam and Eve existed because we all have to descend from somewhere. If it were a metaphore it wouldn't take away from God's greatness by no means. I'm not sure how else to view it.
How do you view it? (If you want we could email each other instead of using the thread)

 

Were you there at the beginning? No one alive was. I rather believe in the Bible, the testimony of the living God who was there from the very beginning.

 

I believe that the Bible is clear about sin and death and that the result of sin is death. All of us eventually die.
I don't know if homosexuality is a choice or not. I believe that God's original creation was man for a woman or a woman for a man.

 

I do not mind using the thread to discuss this as I am interested in others reactions/feedback. So you know, I'm not picking on you or saying you are wrong. Honestly I do not feel that my opinion is in concrete. I think that my belief system, while founded in Christianity, is something that I'm still trying to entirely figure out. I know I question a lot of what I learned growing up in a Southern Baptist family. Like I said, a lot of things just do not make sense in a literal sense. That doesn't mean that I question God's greatness or validity.

As Adam and Eve are concerned, I feel the story of original sin is a way to explain that sin is human nature. I feel that the story of creation is a way to explain to people who had no concept of biology, chemistry, physics, etc how we came to be. Does that mean that I do not think God created our world? Of course not. The idea that God could create a system this perfect and intricate is amazing.

I do not feel that in one day God paraded every animal in front of Adam and had him name them all. I do not feel that there was an apple tree or a snake. I do not feel that Adam and Eve ever existed at all. It makes for a great story though.