Another thread on Kobe's Place in History, but with a slight twist.

The twist really got me. Will watch the movie again.

 

closer to jordan.

while other great perimeter players maybe could have won with a prime shaq, let's not forget he won 2 titles after shaq.

he had a brilliant finals in 09 against the magic.

 

I Say if you replace Kobe with Crazy Legs from da movie Dont Be A Menace, Shaq would still ring off dem 3 straight titles. Dude was unstoppable, averged like close to 40/20 at one point in da playoffs, and that was missin half his free throws

 

32 ppg with a 43% fg % is a brilliant performance? In that case, what do you call Gasol's 19 ppg while shooting 60% from the field?

 

32/7/6 (shooting .360% from 3) with 1.4 spg and 1.4 bpg was a brilliant performance. gasol was great as well.

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This whole argument is ridiculous.

Kobe began his career with a playoff squad and he was paired with the most dominant center of his era that already led a team to he finals.

You Kobe lovers just refuse to accept that he is overrated. I put Elgin Baylor ahead of him.

He is more like tier 3 or 4.

 

Sorry, but no. It wasn't a brilliant performance. It was a typical Kobe performance consisting of a low fg% and a high usage rate.

 

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Just realized, chose the wrong poll option. Meant to pick he's closer to Jordan.

 

Did you forget Kobe's second part of his career when he was paired with a borderline all-star PF and won two titles with him?

Kobe is rated just fine unless you are saying he's better than Jordan or Magic or something silly like that.

Tier 2 IMO he would be right in there.

Tier one would include the likes Jordan, Magic, Wilt, guys like these even Hakeem.

Tier 2 would be for the Kobe's, Malone, Nash just off the top of my head.

 

I'm sure if lebron had that type of performance you'd be throwing the finals MVP his way.

 

So you believe Nash and Kobe are on the same playing level?

 

I hate to say it but the borderline allstar PF is a legit all star not a perennial one but legit.

 

MJ has 4 more MVPs and FMVPs than Kobe while Kobe only has more rings than the rest, I think it's pretty obvious.

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Of the rest he's closest to Jordan but Jordan is clearly miles better

 

Honestly the more I see this graphic the more I think MJ was overrated. Sure MJ won 6 rings, but the Bulls were already good enough to reach the finals without him, getting 6 rings is no surprise. If Kobe or Lebron had been born that time and was drafted by the Bulls I think they might actually have more, simply because Kobe/LBJ wouldn't retire 2 times and break up the dynasty.

Sure MJ put up a ton of his points, but his team was like the Cleveland cast except with HOF talent: except for the "sidekick" nobody on the team could create their own shot. The result was that MJ could take tons of shots. Admittedly he shot an amazing FG% for most of his career, but then again was played in a league that still had a lot of unathletic white dudes playing when they had no business being there. To be quite honest, it was a lot like Chamberlain toying with unathletic white big men during his time.

 

You got me with that twist, but after some consideration I would say that Kobe is in tier one. He's not as good as Jordan, but he's definitely in the top tier. I'd move everyone in tier three up one.

 

Nope, a Tier system would mean not everyone on the same tier is equal. Still though Nash was a great great player in his prime.

Before Kobe he was a borderline All-star, and in his 14 year career been to the All-star game 4x.

Real perennial all-stars are Kobe Bryant, in his 16 year career has gone to 14 all-star games.