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Another terrible jobs number

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Sep 7, 2012.

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  1. basso

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  2. Deckard

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    I know. Heck, I criticized him a lot during the primaries and seem to recall that you did, as well. (hope I didn't mix you up with someone else!) I still voted for him in the Texas primary, but I would have been equally happy with Hillary as the nominee. The man is far from perfect, and he's disappointed me at times since taking office, which I've usually noted in D&D. So why resort to the insane "conspiracy and paranoia," as you aptly put it (I would have mentioned the blatant racism aimed at the man that I've seen here, from time to time, to your list), when that is so obviously disruptive to good conversation, and only promotes the same emotional conflict that we see in Congress far too often, and here in the Texas Legislature. Having said that, Obama is vastly better than the alternative.

    Speaking of the Texas Legislature, Lt. Governor Dewhurst just appointed a raft of "Tea Party" Republicans to chair several important state and legislative commissions, the spineless, worthless cretin.
     
  3. Invisible Fan

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    I've seen this being uttered before... What difference does it make?

    I don't care if someone is being paid to **** 15 paces from my doorstep as opposed to doing it out if mental and/or social deficiency. I smell the **** regardless.
     
  4. Qball

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    My, you paint with a broad brush there sir...
     
  5. rocketsjudoka

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    I didn't so much criticize Obama during the primaries as Obama supporters. My main criticism of Obama though during the primaries was that we didn't really know much about him or how he would govern having never served in an executive position in government and risen meteorically from State Senator to major candidate for President. I've criticized them several times as President and posters like Glynch and Rhadamanthus have criticized Obama harder than I have and they were more ardent supporters in 2008.

    Anyway there are many reasons to criticize Obama and I will stand by my opinion he has not been a great president, I think he has done well with what he was faced with but many things could've gone better. A valid argument for not voting Obama is out there without having to resort to claiming that he is really a white hating, socialist Jihadi who is only supported by a vast conspiracy of the media and government offices keeping the truth from the public.
     
  6. rocketsjudoka

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    Considering that much of the stuff that he post is contradictory, I mean Obama is somehow both a radical Muslim who wants to see Sharia implemented and a European style Socialist who wants to break down traditional society. I would question someone's mental state if they actually believed those at the same time.
     
  7. peleincubus

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    i think he has done well enough. and i think he would have done better but the forces he fights against what they are.

    you probably think he is part of the system. but i think he would have done more if he could have.
     
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    That chart tells you absolutely nothing. Are those increases in population new borns? Child immigrants? ie are the of working age/ability? Are those exiting the labor force retirees, does it account for those who left one job to start another?
     
  10. rocketsjudoka

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    I don't know if these comments were posted yet but here are some comments from some other Republicans about the idea that the job number was manipulated.
    http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/...of-poll-jobs-numbers-takes-hold-on-right?lite

    [rquoter]But that notion was startling to several other conservatives. Tony Fratto, a former spokesman in President George W. Bush's White House, called the allegation of labor data manipulation "dumb conspiracy theories" on his Twitter page.

    And Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a Republican economist who formerly served as director of the Congressional Budget Office, strongly disputed the idea that Obama would manipulate September's report.

    "These numbers put together by the BLS or BEA, they're all done by career civil servants who are experts in the area with complete integrity," he said. "If someone tried to do that -- if I, during my time in the Bush administration, had gone to the BLS and said, 'Juice these numbers,' they would have called the Washington Post so fast. That's just not acceptable; it's not how the process works."

    Besides, Holtz-Eakin argued, Republicans have plenty to criticize in this jobs report. He argued that the drop in the jobless rate could be an aberration based on an unusually high number of households to report employment in this month's survey.

    "We still have a labor force participation rate that's down at 1981 levels, and we still have an unemployment rate that's not a cause for celebration either," he said.[/rquoter]

    So there is stuff to criticize here but the idea that the numbers are manipulated strikes even many Republicans as paranoid.
     
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    You can try to be coy but it's fairly obvious what you are.
     
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    It will be worse, if he is reelected.The number of people leaving the labor force is not slowing down soon. At the latest stats, rate of growth doubled from 1.8 mil to 3.3 mil under Obama. He is losing the senior vote.

    http://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/OASDIbenies.html

    2005-2008 :
    +1.8 mil in retirees and survivors from 33.4 mil to 35.2 mil.

    2008-2011:
    +3.3 mil in retirees and survivors from 35.2 mil to 38.5 mil.


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    You forgot this stat:
    US population by age group:
    2000: 35.1 mil people 65+ year old
    2025: 63.9 mil people 65+ year old
    That is an avg of 1.14 mil a year retire because of old age.

    The age group 59-65 also are growing, some of them also retire.

    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32701.pdf
    pg 13, 14
     
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    :confused: The population is aging. We were already projected to have a shrinking workforce - that's why there's concern about financing SS and Medicare.
     
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    Participation rate declines are the results of American workers hiding behind early or earlier-than-expected retirement. There could also be working-females becoming stay-at-home mothers adding to the number, but the biggest source of participation decline are old people. If the Medicare eligibility age were lowered the participation rate would decline faster (along with unemployment) as old people go on the government dole.
     
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    you're a dumbass, congrats. employment is a lagging indicator. get an eduaction
     
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    Uh, run that by me again?

    "If the Medicare eligibility age were lowered the participation rate would decline faster (along with unemployment) as old people go on the government dole."

    I think you meant to say "'If the Medicare eligibility age were raised'" the participation rate would decline faster (along with unemployment) as old people go on the government dole."

    By the way, "government dole" went out of fashion sometime back in the 1940's. Bob Dole, however, is still in fashion in certain circles... the Older American Erection Society, for example, which is a combination Viagra/Cialis/Medical mar1juana swingers club, based out of Florida and Arizona, that considers Bob one of their heroes. A man who helped Older Americans rediscover their sexuality via the use of drugs. Yes, literally thousands of Older Americans are poppin' Viagra and smoking ganja. It's the new Older American. Get with it, or get left behind!
     
  19. Cohete Rojo

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    If the Medicare eligibility age were raised to 150, no old people would be on Medicare.
     
  20. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Sorry, let me rephrase, like a MAJORITY of Muslims who believe 9/11 was a conspiracy theory.

    I guess we do have less crazies here than over there.
     

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