JVG has been complaining about the lack of effort from his team lately, maybe he needs to send a bit of a message to the rotation players? DD
JVG just proved tonight he would rather show up vspan than win the game. We win this game if vspan played when rafer got ejected. Bottomline is coaching lost us the game today.
I would not go that far, but I would have liked to see what would have happened if he got some time when the team was struggling. Oh well....every team has a night where they can't shoot straight. DD
You don't put in rookie scrubs with the expectation of winning. You put them in when you know you've either won or lost the game. Could Dallas have struggled any more than they did to start the season? They didn't throw in Maurice Ager just for the hell of it. They play Greg Buckner way more than that kid and Buckner's sucking it up even more than in years past. Does anyone care that Maurice Ager isn't being developed? Does anyone blame Avery Johnson for ruining his confidence? Dallas has the best record in the league, is up six games over the 3rd best team, and still can't find any minutes to give Ager some burn. There's a reason for that: he's a rookie that shouldn't be expecting much playing time...and he sucks out there. He's not alone. Several teams have rookies that don't get time over injured/struggling veterans. The Clipper's center rotation isn't up to par, to put it lightly. Chris Kaman has regressed, he's missed games, and Aaron Williams is Aaron Williams. They still don't put in Paul Davis for energy. And when they do put him in he hurts them. That because he sucks out there. That doesn't mean he'll suck forever, or that they shouldn't expect him to get better with more playing time. But it does mean that they shouldn't expect the team to win more when he plays. His development comes at the cost of the team W/L record. Vspan sucks out there. We gave him time against Portland and he didn't give us energy, he gave us two turnovers in five minutes. Is that the kind of energy you want? Because that's the kind of energy you should expect. The same goes for Novak. His "fantastic" shooting is more than offset by his lack of team defense and physical play. I can't believe you're expecting any more out of these guys than mistakes and points....for the opposing team. Take off the rose colored glasses and realize that these guys are not ready for the primetime yet. They haven't done a damn thing all season when given minutes and you expect them to give us energy. Sheesh!
^Thank you. After every loss the armchair QBs...errr coaches come out and have solutions up the @ss...sheesh
this topic is as ancient as Greek mythology. maybe when Vspan looks at the basketball, it turns into stone..specifically the ones they use as bricks
I doubt we would have one this game with VSPAN in after Rafer got ejected but the thing is JVG will never give us the opportunity to know that. SO end of story.
Spanoulis doesn't play because he is not good enough right now. Frankly, I hope he suceeds, but if he doesn't, it won't break my heart. He was a second round project with little risk. I love how everyone says he has to be better than JLIII when they have 0 evidence to support that. It's ridiculus.
Succinctly put MrButtocks. Fact is, when Rafer got tossed, we already lost. There is NO ONE left on the bench who could spot us the minutes and steadiness that Rafer provided running the offense. JL3 is an Earl Boykins-type scorer, Vspan is a turnover machine. Should JVG put Vspan in there? No. Not when he's trying to salvage the hole left by Alston. JL3, despite his deficiencies, has proven that he can help the team, even if he is chucking up shots. Vspan has proven that he can't shoot and can't play under control. How will that help the team?
Or we can view this as a an issue that needs to be addressed by our coach and even fans UNTIL WE SEE A CLEAR SOLUTION happening. I don't see any other reason why Jeff didn't use Billy last night except for PERSONAL issues. IF, Billy is that bad, by Jeff's judgement, CD should get the message also to let him go. We'll stop beating a dead horse until it gets burried. While it's still on the floor, we can't ignore it and watch it stink. Don't get me wrong here, I like Jeff's ability as a coach but it's just bothering me that he can't get over this issue.
do you know ANYTHING about basketball???? seriously, you have to be an alias or something. Coaching lost???? What about missing WIDE OPEN shots and not rebounding or taking care of the ball...
Why don't you answer you own question? What exactly the better PG, or to be more specific, the better rotational player than JL3? Last night, JL3 had 3 AST, 0 TOs in 19 mins. That is pretty efficient for a backup. He kept the ball moving and didn't ball hog like the haters claim he does. He hits his open shots but also missed some shots. Then agian, who wasn't missing shots on the Rockets last night? JL3 has better ball control than V-Span, doesn't force the issue and can hit open jumpers. Him being able to him open jumpers, which is a BIG in our system, is a sole reason why he plays over V-Span. The only thing V-Span has over JL3 right now is defense because he has the bigger body. Anyways, MrButtocks nailed is right on the point. It deserves to be requoted in yet another V-Span thread.
Or perhaps, just maybe, they expect he will GET BETTER with time in practice. You know, like thousands of other players before him. Strange how that works.
Lol, damn it's too early. What I meant to say was "What exactly makes V-Span he better PG, or to be more specific, the better rotational player than JL3?"
C'mon let's not talk about which player is better. JL3 is needed in some circumtances, and depending on match ups- that is when we lack quickness. The issue that I'm trying to bring up here is, why didn't Jeff use Billy last night at all... is he really thad bad on the court? IS HE? He makes turn-overs yes, and so does everyone. His defense itself is good enough reason to put him on the floor. I saw his stats in the Euroleague, the guy has a terrible shooting % from the 3pt line but he gets his points from penetrating to the basket. His assists are remarkable. And I believe this kind of play has a place in JVG system.
I think there are 2 reasons Vspan didn't play until garbage time in the game. He pissed off the coach by opening his mouth when he didn't show anything on the court to indciate he deserved more playing time. You don't mess with this or any other coach. The lesson HAS to be clear. The coach is the leader and he decides. PERIOD. complained isn't going to helping. The sooner he learned the better. If he wan't to go back to Europe and play, HE CAN'T!!!. He signed a 3 year deal. The 2nd reason is as obvious as the hair on his face. He is not in control. He does pass with amost the Magic touch BUT, it's not accurate to the point it's easy for his teammates. All those bounce passes would be great if it ended up in the teammates hands instead of just slightly low or something and the end result is not a easy shot but a miss. Also, the man can't shoot with any range. I think he made 1 3pt the whole time I saw him play. Sorry but in this team, the guards shoot 3pts. That's the game plan. Now, if he can penetrate and make shots, get fouled or dish for assists, then it's OK. BUT, it's being a long time waiting to see him do it. Sure he did a few lay-ups but any NBA guard worth his salt can do that. Also, he is supposed to be good on defense but I don't see the lockdown plays, he is in front of his man but he still get beat and his rotational help is not there....YET. Now the half full part. He has skills and if used properly can be a player. I can see him as a future starter/rotaiton PG for this time. It just takes time, time he actually has (3 year contract) and if he can learn to eat a little crow (like Bonzi did). It can make a world of difference for his playing time with the Rockets.
