I love that quote! We must handicap them first! BTW what ever happened to a trade benifitting both teams? Oh well screw it I like the way your think!
This is why Lynus is one of my favorite posters. He has common sense. I want to quote it again, oh what the hell I will Lamar Odom does not respect his job. If he did how many times could get possibly get busted for pot? Even thinking of this ****ing loser on the Rockets infuriates me. So what, he's a pituitary case. He's athletic, *yawn*. He's the point forward that we desperately need b/c our pointer can't point, *yawn*. Hemp's going to save the world, *yawn*. If this team, after signing that sack of **** Mo Taylor and trading for Glen Rice trades the ****ing number one pick for a slack ass like Kandi and a ****ing loser like Odom I will personally pimp slap Rudy at RMR. No, no... too dangerous with Smith around. I will pimp slap that little nerdy guy though. Just say no to Odom! Odom + big bag of juicy fuzzy sativa for #15, KT and some of that dirt weed down in S. Texas sounds about right.
hp - the best information I have is that Olowokandi is a Qualifying Offer FA and that QO FA's must be given an offer by their current team no later than June 30th or they convert to unrestricted FA's. Kandi's QO would be 1 year @~ $6.1m if no team goes higher (I think only the Bulls and Wiz have room to bid). If no team bids higher, then the Clipps are free to sign Kandi-man around July 18th. Does this sound right to you?
Oh oh, spidey sense is tingling. Mango is about to catch me in a contradiction, deny everything! deny everything! Aside from wanting to just type a bunch of asterisks and look like a 12 year old Mango, I was also trying to convey the fact that this team needs someone w/ a clue now. Lamar Odom is promising, and... if Webber is an example, people can eventually mature. (As an aside, I have no problems w/ Odom's recreational habits. If it weren't illegal, or if I were younger, mar1juana would still be my anti-drug... not beer). The thought of sending the #1 pick to a team that will be our fellow contender, or more realistically our superior... is repugnant. Williams completes that team. A mature Odom might do the same thing for the Rockets; unfortunately I'm not sure where you get a mature Lamar Odom. ...Even if Odom suddenly realizes he gets paid millions to abide by a set of rules (unfair or not), what does he truly bring to this team? Time off of the ball for Steve is great (how about 48mpg) but at his potential best... Odom does not put the Rockets into the playoffs. Oooo oooo: Francis Mobley Odom Taylor Cato One of them is a paxil case, one is an advil overdose about to happen, Taylor has a 5 game suspension at the beginning of the season because of pot and if Odom's m.o. is any indication he's not far behind. That leaves Mobley who just says no to passing. If we're going to screw up... can't we screw up reaching biggggg?? How is Kandi's sudden bout w/ contractyearitis any different than the Rockets getting premie w/ Cato because he blocked phen phen addict Kemp 8x in a game? This trade has to be bull. Never happen... ever, nah ah. Now... if the #15 + Kenny is enough...
Achebe, I can't really say that I am defending the trade.....just looking for the contradiction angle that you noted. It is still early and there are likely to be some sweet offers presented in the next several weeks. Until the the conference calls and other details are done with the NBA office, no trade is <i>signed, sealed and delivered.</i> Patience Rudy, CD and Les........ Mango
The Rockets suck at center and at small forward. Their passing, rebounding, presence-in-the-paint? Let me borrow a Bill Walton word: "horrific." Odom + Kandi drastically reduce these problems. Steve and Cat? Nuff said. Put Odom in the mix. Ball movement. Mismatches. Mo-T? Jump shots, can pass and put it on the floor. Get EG to bulk up a bit and the Rockets could be dangerous. Kandi has gotten a lot better over the years. Certainly he's better than Cato. If we get Kandi, though, Cato's got to go, and we must have a decent backup 5 (#8, #12, #15 might take care of this, or Mo-T or EG could help out in that regard). Gawd, 4 more weeks of this!
Kandi, Odom and Francis will represent too much payroll increase in roughly the same time frame.........trade won't happen. Mango
Damn, nobody likes Odom, do they? Yep, let's just get Ming. 1,300,000,000 people tuning in to watch us lose. Steve, Cat, Odom, Griffin, Kandi. Mo-T, T-Mo, Rice, Mooch et al to backup.
Why in the world would the Rockets sacrifice the #1 pick in the draft on a stiff (Kandi) and a guy who, by most accounts, is probably not going to be resigned by his team at his asking price anyway (Odom)?
Achebe, Long time no chat...you know how work goes...peaks and valleys. Damn! Tell me how you really feel about Odom. It is funny you say that, because any deal with the Clips for me begins and ends with Brand. I know, I know...all the arguments about Griff and Brand being in his way of development. I still see Griff as a 3. Does all the speculation really matter? We still end up walking away with more than we ever thought we would have. Just for speculation....If we get Brand and Picks #8, #12 and #15, who do you pick? Do you fullfil your obligationto the Grizz? Do you try to package Mo T and picks for something else? Thoughts??????
I think the people on this board over estimate the value of the #1 pick in a year where there isn't true superstar. This would be a good trade talent wise. However, the problem with this trade is that the Rockets end up with players, I consider, to be of questionable....Heart? The Rockets do not need a couple of head cases. If the Rockets were sure that these are really good guys then it is indeed a good trade.
Speaking of Brand, it is my understanding that Falk has told the Clippers that Brand will not re-sign if Kandi is not re-signed. If Sterling just can't do it and finds it too painful to reach into his pocket for Kandi, he may decide to just re-load w/ the rookie JW and part w/ Brand. I hope, at least.
Good to chat w/ you again Rocket!! I guess I went overboard on Odom, but I really don't think he holds the 'magic' the #1 pick hides within it. The #1 pick brings with it hope. Odom brings with him... ummm... dope. lol I'd like to think that... but we went into last summer w/ this elusive thing called 'cap space'. Cap space helped us get an overweight sg w/ 5 games off next season, lol. If the Rockets were any other team, I'd probably look at an acquisition like Odom w/ a smile. I just don't know if they have the luck to withstand an Odom right now. Not after watching Mo go down (w/ a known stress) then Rice, then Francis (or vice-versa) on and on. At least we got the #1 though... I'd definitely get rid of Mo T for anything else. What was the question? Oh... #8, etc. You mention speculation, but you're aware of more opportunities (or misinformation hehe) than am I, but I don't see the Clippers dealing Brand. What's in it for them? Why take an all star pg just to lose an all star pf? If they're cheap and don't care about competing they can reload w/ the picks they have. Trading all of those commodities is to do one thing: compete. Dealing Brand puts them back three years. Not going to happen, nah ah. But pure speculation... #8 top sf standing (Butler, Tsick), #12 memphis, #15 the euro sf Nachbar if he's still available. Nothing too flashy. p.s. the more I play this game, the more I realize that Francis is the hold up. I just don't see how we can count on him 82 games, hell 72 games next year. With our current slot, I'd draft Ming #1, send Francis to Chicago for #2, and I wouldn't expect too many additions from Chicago. Francis is ready for $$$ and he's not a bet many would hedge for top $ (given the #2).
Achebe, With the Brand deal to work you would hav eto give up KT. If I was the Clips I would not accept anything less. As to Francis, lets just say there are similar beliefs and considerations in certain circles as to your thoughts.
Gater, The only thing I find is that "option year" players and one-yr contract players are restricted from being traded. Soon to be Qualifying Vet FAs whether restricted or not have no clause that specifically saying that they cannot be traded in the period after their season ends and their contract ends (July 1st). Further, the clause about option players says specifically that that clause should not apply to Qualifying Vets unless otherwise restricted in the CBA. I don't find any "otherwise" anywhere. So, in my reading, only option players and one-yr contract players cannot be traded between the trading deadline and July 1st.
I won't bother to comment on Odom's off-the-court problems. We all know what's up there. But, it seems to me that Odom, Ming and Francis are all within a tradition the Rockets have for players. Malone, Sampson, Olajuwon...Ming Robert Reid, Rodney McRay (sp?), Robert Horry...Odom Calvin Murphy, Kenny Smith, Sam Cassell...Francis Big inside presence, athletic small forwards (particularly guys who can handle the ball) and shoot-first point guards are common when looking back at the Rockets' history. All three seem to fit that mold.
