This trade will not happen unless either Cato or Mo Taylor is involved. I can almost guarantee the Clippers do not want anything to do with Mo Taylor. IF THE CLIPPERS CANNOT MAX OUT THESE PLAYERS THEN HOW DO WE WITHOUT GOING OVER THE LUXURY TAX THRESHOLD? Kandi, Odom and change for #1, 15, Cato, Rice, KT I still do not think that deal would be consummated.
that trade can work if we dont trade the #1 overall pick (instead, make it the 15th) and they dont trade us kandi.
Then the salaries do not match. I guess you meant we would keep Cato. I would definitely go for that but I doubt the Clippers would.
I'd be willing to trade the 15th and Kenny Thomas for Odom. That's it. Anything other than that or trading our garbage (Rice, Cato, etc.) is overpaying for him. The only way I would trade the #1 to the Clippers is if they offered Brand.
<i>Curiously > Kandi @ $8m + Odom ~= KT + Rice</i> You're forgetting that Kandi would become a BYC player if he resigned for $8M. You'd have to find a team with around $4M in cap space/exception.
aelliott - you've taught me better than that! The Clipps are under the cap so they can assume the contract differences.
Gater, You're correct, the Clippers are under the cap. I was confusing their cap situation with the Warriors. Since they are under the cap, then Kandi wouldn't become a BYC player, so no need for cap space.
aelliott - BYC is a very difficult concept for me personally. After you went through such a detailed analysis in the Rashard Lewis thread, I am starting to catch on. Thanks for all your help. I truly have appreciated it.
Am I the only one that would do this trade???? The Clippers have the Nos. 8 and 12 picks in the draft, and it's possible a package of Lamar Odom, one or both of the picks and next year's No. 1 (because the Rockets must give next year's pick to the Grizzlies) for this year's No. 1 and Glen Rice could work and benefit both teams -Chicago Tribune If we got the #8, 12 Odom and next years #1, that would be a steal!!!
<font size="1">as always, aelliott, GATER, NIKE, Hottoddie or anyone, correct me if I'm wrong, but </font> tpl, They can trade Olowakandi before becoming a free agent, as long as there is no player or team option (equally, no trade rules apply to players with one-yr contracts). However, Kandi doesn't seem to apply here, since he becomes a qualified veteran free agent on July 1st, albeit, restricted. Olowakandi is not a free agent, yet, and trading is allowed since both teams have ended their seasons. That said, this is highly questionable, as no team is allowed to get agreements with Olowakandi to sign or not sign with a team until he becomes a free agent. Further, there simply is no precedence for this ever happening, even in the case where a team did not want to sign the free agent. This "no talking rule" is the same rule about Cuttino that got Clutch to admonish popeye for merely saying Mobley had agreed to sign in May '00. The "no talking rule" is taken very seriously, and popeye left the board agreeing to this. Such a trade is HIGHLY risky, more so than just keeping Ming. Even if Kandi signs with us later in July, Stern has every right to look for a smoking-gun illegal agreement, and we'd get penalized probably worse than Minn. The trade could be nullified, and both Ming and China would be sooooooo miffed we'd lose everything. Rudy and CD would be fired, and Les would be run out of town. Now if you are talking about a trade agreement in May based on us taking Ming and the Clippers trading us Kandi once he becomes a free agent. Again, that falls under the "popeye got admonished by Clutch" rule. remember the wisest thing Doc Rocket said last weekend..."do you know what Ockam's Razor is?"
Boy, things are <i>really</i> getting interesting. No matter what they do, the Rockets are really going to come away with something big this offseason. Either a 7'5 center or two young, frontline starters (Odom +...., McDyess + #5). What great luck for this franchise. We're talking about significantly upgrading the team with young all-star talent without losing anything. I still do not think that Lamar Odom fills any of this team's needs. However, I would not be opposed to his acquistion as I'de be lying if I denied his obvious talent. BUT, if we trade the #1, Olowokandi MUST be involved in the deal. The Rockets cannot just hand over Jason Williams to the Clippers while allowing them to leave their team intact. The Clippers have absolutely zero need for Odom - they would be losing nothing. If we are to give them Williams, we must handicap them first. I'de be satisfied with a deal of Odom+Kandi+#8 for #1+#15+crappyplayer. Would the Clippers make that deal? I'm sure the Rockets would. One thing for sure is that nothing is final yet. There is no way the Rockets have already agreed to this deal nor is there any chance they have already set themselves on Ming. It is way too early and they will weigh their options until an all-out bidding war ensues. This could get interesting and we could walk out on June 26th with a completely revamped frontcourt.
heypee-I think players' contracts end when their team's season ends. If it were to go down July 15, it'd be REALLY fishy. Overhearing a conversation, no matter how loudly Rudy talks, there was other noise, table distance, etc. You could guess he misheard or something. My guess is MoT wouldn't endorse this. Didn't he complain to the media at one point that Kandi was lazy?
I've looked for that and can't find it. If you are right, the rumor is even more ludicrous. I thought all contracts end on July 1st when the new salaries are recalculated. I'm not sure.
Yes, Ziggy's does exist and I have personally seen Rudy there twice. I even believe that there is a picture of Rudy and the owner on the wall there. It is across the street from Little Woodrow's.
Agreed. I can't believe that some of you think the #1 is worth Lamar Odom and Olowokandi. If you're not offering Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, or MAYBE Elton Brand, I'm not interested in the least. I'd take Odom for KT and the 15th....Odom's too risky for me to offer much more than that.
What an impact we have on the Rocks... this will get back to the front office and they'll have to find different places to eat! The spotlight has a price, doesn't it. Keep diggin' folks!
Olowokandi sucks! If we pay 8 or 9 million dollars for a center that shoots 43% from the field I'm going to go crazy. That sorry FG percentage should be enough to tell you he's a crappy offensive player. I don't even care if Cato is part of the deal. Kandi will be asking for a contract larger than Cato's. If we pay Kandi 1 cent more than Cato, I think it's too much. The fact that we're already overpaying Cato doesn't justify paying even more for a center who misses a lot more shots and puts up slightly better all around numbers primarily due to more playing time. Say what you want about Cato, but he shoots 58% from the field...he know his limits. Apparently Olowokandi does not. Don't make the situation worse by paying Kandi an even more ridiculous contract than Cato's!!!
I know I can come up with some wild trade scenarios, and I respect people's opinions, but we don't need Elton Brand. We already have a glut at the 4. Granted, none of them are Brand...but our needs are at the 3 and the 5. Odom and Kandi not worth the #1? Kandi himself was a #1 pick (albeit he was that year's only center worth a look). Odom went #4 in a strong draft year (Brand, Steve, Baron D., Odom, et al). The only problem I have is that we'd be helping the Clippers get better. But you have to give to get. And we'd have three large contracts to worry about: Steve (max), Odom (max or near-max), Kandi (max or near-max). And Eddie, in a couple years, would also want serious $$$ But this move, if possible, would greatly improve the team. Don't forget the 3-way Chi-LAC-Hou trade that has also been rumored. That could factor here.
I hope the #1 pick is not involved. Odem is good, but not worthy of #1. Cato and Kandi are of equal skill. I do not like either one. Its good to hear trade rumors, but I'm not sure this one will happen. I hope that it doesn't.
