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Another reason why extending Schaub so early last season

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  1. utgrad97

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    was a ****ing horrible idea.

    Now you could have a QB on a great cap contract, and could build a better team around him. Instead of have Schaub and his $7M cap hit next season to get out of it.

    Rick Smith is a horrible at managing the cap.

    This team is full of holes. The OL outside of Brown and Myers is ****ing abysmal, though I think Brooks can be good. So you at most need a OG and a OT.

    RB is ok.
    WR need to cut Martin, his hands are horrible and he sucks in the return game.
    TE Graham is decent, Daniels will be cut, Griffin needs more PT to see what he can do.

    DL - no depth behind the starters. Crick's strong play in the preseason has not carried over to the regular season. Smith is not going to be resigned.
    LB - Cushing's career may be over, Reed is an average OLB. After a good start, Mercilous has done nothing. The other ILB position was always going to be an average player.
    CB - JoJo is no where close the same guy he was 2 years ago. Jackson needs to move to S. McCain is hit and miss. Harris needs more time to figure out if he can be a starter.
    S - Swearinger is going to be ok. Everyone else needs to be cut.
     
    #1 utgrad97, Oct 20, 2013
  2. Raven

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    This is why firing Kubiak isn't enough, it's got to be the whoooooooole operation, from top to bottom.
     
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  3. Bandwagoner

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    Cap hit on Schaub is 3.5 in 2014 and 7 million for 2015 if you cut him after June 1st. JJo can be cut with no cap implications. Rick Smith has not done a good job, but the Texans do not have a bad cap situation.
     
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    uhhhh wtf are you talking about, we have 10.5 million left on the books for a player that we are guaranteed to release. just look at the amount of money we have on the books compared to other teams. we are screwed. not as bad as the cowboys, but it's not good at all.
     
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    It can be spread out over two years with 2014 only being 3.5 million. JJo will have no dead money penalty. That is 21 million off the books for next year.

    Please explain how we are screwed, with specifics.
     
    #5 Bandwagoner, Oct 20, 2013
  6. HTown_DieHard

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    step bringing up JJo because it's not true.

    you are literally spreading lies.

    spotrac lists him with NO DEAD MONEY because NO ONE FREAKING KNOWS what occurred when they restructured his deal a couple of times.

    you are so dense.
     
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  7. HTown_DieHard

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    And Schaub's cap hit is not 'spread out' over two years.

    it's 3.5 in 2014, 7 in 2015.

    equaling 10.5
     
    #7 HTown_DieHard, Oct 20, 2013
  8. Bandwagoner

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    He has restructured it once, after this year he will have 3.75 million left which will be dead money.

    The numbers, and your words are in direct conflict. The average NFL playoff team has 11 million in annual dead money.

    How is that not "spread out" over two years? I already noted it was 3.5 in 2014, I assumed everyone could do that subtraction and get 7 for 2015.



    You also are not taking into account whoever we replace Schaub with will make a fraction of his salary. Massive cap savings there. They are not even close to being screwed.

    If they continue to not draft well, (ie Brooks and Whitney) the on field performance will suffer, but that is just the NFL. The ultimate cap fixer is drafting.
     
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    haha so now you change your tune. you can't be taken seriously. goodbye.
     
    #9 HTown_DieHard, Oct 20, 2013
  10. Bandwagoner

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    I forgot about the restructure. What tune have I changed? 3.75 makes them screwed?

    You are gonna need more than pointing out that much dead money to support FUBAR.

    I guess you can't and have decided to bow out? Great. GTFO.
     
    #10 Bandwagoner, Oct 20, 2013
  11. HTown_DieHard

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    stop asking me to do your homework. take a look at our CAP, compared to other teams, and get back to me. fubar is very appropriate
     
    #11 HTown_DieHard, Oct 20, 2013
  12. Bandwagoner

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    Huge cap saving from cutting Schaub AND you get better on field performance. Huge cap savings from cutting JJo.

    If you don't want to support your position of FUBAR, that's fine. Don't expect me to make your argument.
     
    #12 Bandwagoner, Oct 20, 2013
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    If there's anything the past few years have taught us, it's that decent, mediocre QBs can be drafted anywhere and play quickly. The days where QBs have to be groomed and must know the system blah blah blah are gone.

    You obviously still pay superstar QBs superstar money. But there's no way a borderline top-10 QB is worth only ~$5mil less than that, which is the type of money Schaub got. It's not an even slope, but it should be dipped heavily once you enter the middle of the pack QBs. Similar to how Morey view the whole max contract + rookie contract thing to manage his cap.
     
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    i wonder if morey could GM the texans AND rockets?...
     
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    Yep. Our team as currently structured is the result of bad decisions by Kubiak, it's like a 7 year old Windows machine. So much bloatware (Keo, Marciano, Martin, Newton, Reed, Schaub, Reed) you can't even operate it efficiently anymore.
     
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    Gruden= windows8.1
     
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    Why would you think $10mil/2yrs is "minimal" damage? That's basically in the Manning/Daniels/Myers range of salary. I personally think $5mil/yr while not debilitating, a sizable amount of burden on a team.
     
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    It is sizable, and it comes directly from the mistake of extending him. But because of the fact that it is still cheaper to cut him than keep him, it isn't debilitating.

    You also have two off-seasons to deal with the larger 7 million.
     
    #19 Bandwagoner, Oct 20, 2013
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    Stop paying fools who just came off IR the previous season.
     
    #20 macho87, Oct 20, 2013
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