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  1. ROCKET RICH NYC

    ROCKET RICH NYC Contributing Member

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    Pelosi paid husband with PAC funds

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has directed nearly $100,000 from her political action committee to her husband's real estate and investment firm over the past decade, a practice of paying a spouse with political donations that she supported banning last year.

    Financial Leasing Services Inc. (FLS), owned by Paul F. Pelosi, has received $99,000 in rent, utilities and accounting fees from the speaker's "PAC to the Future" over the PAC's nine-year history.

    The payments have quadrupled since Mr. Pelosi took over as treasurer of his wife's committee in 2007, Federal Election Commission records show. FLS is on track to take in $48,000 in payments this year alone - eight times as much as it received annually from 2000 to 2005, when the committee was run by another treasurer.

    Lawmakers' frequent use of campaign donations to pay relatives emerged as an issue in the 2006 election campaigns, when the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal gave Democrats fodder to criticize Republicans such as former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay of Texas and Rep. John T. Doolittle of California for putting their wives on their campaign and PAC payrolls for fundraising work.

    Last year, Mrs. Pelosi supported a bill that would have banned members of Congress from putting spouses on their campaign staffs. The bill - which passed the House in a voice vote but did not get out of a Senate committee - banned not only direct payments by congressional campaign committees and PACs to spouses for services including consulting and fundraising, but also "indirect compensation," such as payments to companies that employ spouses.

    "Democrats are committed to reforming the way Washington does business," Mrs. Pelosi said in a press release at the time. "Congressman [Adam] Schiff's bill will help us accomplish that goal by increasing transparency in election campaigns and preventing the misuse of funds."

    Last week, Mrs. Pelosi's office said the payments to her husband's firm were perfectly legal, insisting she is compensating her husband at fair market value for the work his firm has performed for the PAC. But ethical watchdogs said the arrangement sends the wrong message.

    "It's problematic," said Melanie Sloan, executive director of the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), a nonprofit ethics and watchdog group. "From what I understand, Mr. Pelosi doesn't need the money, but this isn't the issue. ... As speaker of the House, it sends the wrong message. She shouldn't be putting family members on the payroll."

    A senior adviser to Mrs. Pelosi described the payments to FLS as "business expenses."

    "She's followed all the appropriate rules and regulations in terms of records and paperwork," said Brendan Daly, Mrs. Pelosi's spokesman. "When [former treasurer] Leo McCarthy became ill, she thought that it was best that that firm did the accounting and she's paid fair market value in San Francisco."

    Between 1999 and 2006, FLS collected $500 per month to cover rent, utilities and equipment for the leadership PAC, according to the FEC records. The PAC's address is listed as a personal mailbox in San Francisco, across the street from FLS's Montgomery Street office building, but the rent payments went to an office space.

    In early 2007, the PAC's treasurer, Leo T. McCarthy, former Democratic speaker of the state assembly and lieutenant governor in California, died. Mr. Pelosi took over as treasurer and his company's PAC payouts rose.

    At that point, FLS started charging the PAC $24,000 per year for accounting work. In January 2008, the PAC's rent - paid to FLS - also quadrupled from $500 to $2,000 per month.

    Mr. McCarthy, the previous treasurer, had done the work as a volunteer, according to FEC documents and Jennifer Crider, a senior adviser to Mrs. Pelosi and spokeswoman for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. She said FLS' accounting fees are in line with costs for other PACs.

    The jump in rent was an adjustment to reflect San Francisco's pricey real estate market, Miss Crider said. The rent was adjusted to $1,250 per month, with $750 in back rent to reflect that the rent should have been increased in mid-2007. This was the first increase since the PAC was established in mid-1999, records show.

    Over the first six months of 2008, FLS was the largest vendor for Mrs. Pelosi's PAC. Brian Wolff, a political consultant, is the second-largest vendor, bringing in $22,500 this year.

    FLS' payments represent 11 percent of the $213,900 the PAC raised over the first half of this year, according to the FEC documents.

    PACs, which are designed to help politicians contribute to other candidates and build influence with colleagues, operate under lighter restrictions than traditional campaign committees.

    Meredith McGehee, policy director at the nonpartisan Campaign Legal Center, said putting family members on a PAC payroll is bound to raise questions and, in some cases, allow for abuse.

    "The reality is that under the current system, PACs are rife with self-dealing transactions," she said. "The laws and regulations could and should be strengthened.

    "There is a point now that you're starting to talk about real money," she said of Mrs. Pelosi's PAC. "This is not just a mom-and-pop operation and any self-dealing transaction by a member of Congress is going to get scrutiny, particularly with large amounts of money and prominent members."

    It is illegal for members of Congress to hire family members to work on their official staff, but hiring relatives to work on a campaign or PAC is legal.

    To be sure, many political action committees employ or work with family businesses. Last year, CREW found that 19 members of Congress used campaign committees or PACs to purchase services from a family member between 2002 and 2006.

    Mrs. Pelosi's PACs have been in trouble before. In 2004, one of her political action committees, Team Majority, was fined $21,000 by the FEC for accepting donations over federal limits. It was one of two PACs she operated at the same time. The Team Majority PAC was closed shortly after the fine was levied.

    http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/oct/01/pelosis-pac-pays-bills-for-spouses-firm/
     
  2. weslinder

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    While I think the practice is ripe for abuse, it's not uncommon. Many congresscritters hire family members to work on their campaigns and/or PACs. Some of those who are on a shoestring budget probably take advantage of the fact that family is willing to work for less money. Pelosi only paid her husband $11,000/year on average. I figure it's better for the country if she gives the money to him than if she spends it on propaganda to create more socialists.
     
  3. BigBenito

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    How much does mccain pay his wife for the use of her company's jets?
     
  4. Rashmon

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    RRNY are you still trying to honestly claim that you were once a legitimate supporter of a Democratic candidate?
     
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    It's painful to see that the leading female political figures in the U.S. are reduced to the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Sarah Palin.
     
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    Pelosi seems way too polarizing to be effective.
     
  7. ROCKET RICH NYC

    ROCKET RICH NYC Contributing Member

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    I'm not for McCain at all. I don't support his healthcare plan at all. It's probably the only issue I am actually FOR Obama on. But Nancy Pelosi is too far LEFT and too Polarizing a Democrat for ANY American.
     
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    Did McCain use PAC funds for his wife? NO!

    BTW...nobody said anything about John Kerry and his wife's money when he ran in 2004. They have more houses than the McCains. She's richer than McCain's wife.
     
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    Pelosi basically PAID herself $100K thru her husband using PAC funds. GREAT!
     
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    That's because they were busy smearing his military record. :rolleyes:


    POWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
     
  11. BigBenito

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    I had a long post, refuting your claims, but I'd rather just call you an idiot.

    I won't call you an idiot... but I want to.
     
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    I've been told that this was rude. My apologies, RRNYC. You're not an idiot.




    McCain is paying himself through your donations to his campaign!!!! GREAT!:rolleyes:

    There was a giant kerfuffle about Kerry's wife not releasing her tax returns.... not so much for McCain's wife.
    I'm sure you're outraged about this as well. I'll join you in this crusade against this travesty. We must right this great injustice.
     
  13. JuanValdez

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    I'm not sure why people are critical of RRNYC on this, other than grudges from past conversations. It is nepotism and improper (though apparently not illegal) to be employing family members in this way. While he may be paid a market value for his work, I doubt the PAC made a good-faith effort to find the company that could provide it the best value. The PAC potentially suffers for the enrichment of the Pelosi family. However, it is the business of the people who give money to a PAC. Just like a private company may engage in nepotism, they may still deliver the best product for their customers. If the PAC is getting it done for the people who pay them to influence politics then so be it, I suppose.
     
  14. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    FIRST of all.. I HAVE NEVER CONTRIBUTED ANY MONEY TO MCCAIN OR A REPUBLICAN IN MY LIFE.

    SECOND OF ALL...I WAS/STILL AM a CLINTON supporter!

    So keep with the name calling! This is why I can't fully support Democrats because of people like YOU!
     
  15. glynch

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    Don't get ridiculous comparing Pelosi and Palin. Oh I get it. They are both female and politicians.
     
  16. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    Once again a classic example of questioning Dems resulting in name calling. I hope that makes you feel smarter. Do I think there are good Dems..YES..Do I think there are Bad Republicans...ABSOLUTELY....Has anybody other than you crazy Lefty Libs called me names? NO! That is what this country has turned into. You can't criticize the FAR left otherwise you are seen as an IDIOT!
     
  17. Franchise2001

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    RRNY... If you don't mind me asking:

    1. Who did you vote for in 2004?

    2. Who are you leaning towards voting for now?

    3. What are your top 3 issues for voting for your candidate of choice?
     
  18. ROCKET RICH NYC

    ROCKET RICH NYC Contributing Member

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    1.I didn't vote (I wasn't in the country at the time) I voted Nader in 2000.

    2. Still not voting even though my family are deep-rooted hard core Dems and all voting Obama .

    3. Healthcare (Which I am against McCain on), Economy (Which I don't agree with Obama on), Education (I'm not partial to either side on)

    Heathcare is my #1 issue because it directly affects my family - we are all in the healthcare business (no not insurance company).
     
  19. Franchise2001

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    Thanks... I can see why you are so pro Hilary (as is my entire family).

    If we do get universal healthcare, how is it going to affect your business?
     
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    My family has various businesses ranging from Assisted Living facilities to Hospice to nursing registries. We do not believe in the current healthcare system. I've seen with my own eyes how our system has affected the elderly. However, we also experienced a complete shutdown in California. Because of Gov. Arnold and the Cali Dems fighting over the budgets, many businesses including ours were not funded. For 3 pay periods in a row, the state wouldn't release funds. We couldn't borrow money to make payroll, we borrowed from our 401K to pay our employees i.e. nurses and pca's, to visit elderly patients, and we still ended up losing workers and clients as a result. We want reform in the healthcare system to make it affordable for everyone but we also want to make sure we are able to pay our workers. My family's business employs roughly about 50 people. However, under Obama's tax plan, our business will be affected by it. Unless something is done, we will lose more employees and won't be able to take care of the people we need to take care of.
     

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