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Another McCain VP Final Prediction Thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Batman Jones, Sep 1, 2008.

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Will Palin still be McCain's VP on Election Day?

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  2. No

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  1. Batman Jones

    Batman Jones Member

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    No thanks.

    Find me one that doesn't suggest I'm anti-woman (because I oppose the anti-woman ticket) in the title and maybe I'll read it. Even if it is written by a campaign flack.
     
  2. Mr. Clutch

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    Does she advocate that?
     
  3. IROC it

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    I'd like to see the proof if she does... point by point.


    The issue is fear. Just as much fear of the unknown, or of things touted as "what fundi's think" than there is anything.


    I believe she is in support of the due course of law. I believe she is willing to allow the precedence of courts to stand, until the public decides to bring it to another decision... which I don't see happening.

    I doubt that any GOP candidate, this late in the game, even her, would make it some personal vendetta to overturn R v. W as is implied.

    There will be many more important tasks to oversee for the next administration.
     
  4. Batman Jones

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    She advocates banning abortion in all cases, including rape and incest.

    I can't definitively confirm that she advocates jailing doctors in all cases, but she did belong to a Republican women for life group who held that as an official position.
     
  5. Batman Jones

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    This isn't an irrational response to "fundies." It is a practical concern for anyone who favors abortion rights or even a moderate approach to the issue of abortion in this country.

    The next administration will name as many as three justices to the Supreme Court in the first term.

    McCain is staunchly pro-life and has promised to nominate justices like Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito.

    Palin is even more extreme on abortion than McCain is and her opinion matters more than most VP's since, due to his age and medical history, she is more likely than most to ascend to the top job.

    When it comes to abortion rights, this is not a normal election. The next president will have the ability to tip the balance of the Court for years and years to come. Abortion rights, obviously, hang in the balance.
     
  6. IROC it

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    Fair points all...


    Didn't a judge appointed by Clinton vote alongside "anti-abortionists" as well? On some issue... Or was it a Bush appointee voted "pro-abortion?"


    I doubt any POTUS actually knows what is in the heart of a judicial nominee either way.

    People change. They hear a good argument that makes sense, they change their minds and rule.

    I doubt it would be overturned anyhow. And I can't say if I fully agree with Palin's views anyhow... Don't know if I could say the same in case of rape or incest... But I'll tell you this...


    I hope and pray I'll never have to know as a father what that decision looks like... Those cases would be the only area of leniency I could muster for it though. I'm definitely not in favor of abortions out of the convenience factor.
     
  7. Desert Scar

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    That was what I was thinking. Can you imagine if a hotel chain provided only Korans in their hotel rooms?

    There are more public symbols of Christianity in the US public sphere than any other religion I can think of. I also know of no government/public/school prevelidge afforded to someone of another faith that a Christian person does not. (Does any jail allow access to a Koran or Tora, but not a Bible?)

    Well in this country it is the religion where more efforts are made to convert others and where sizable political movements identify with it and where public encrouchment happens (directly or indirectly).

    It is different (and worse/more extreme) in Saudi or Israel certainly.
     
  8. IROC it

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    They would allow it.. and by the way... the hotels themselves don't provide them. That's the Gideons. The hotels allow it.


    But I see your other points. Perhaps again perception is truth. There are more "Christians" per capita, so more "persecution" is perceived.

    If only US Christians would look around the world and take note, many would stop complaining and enjoy their freedoms.
     
  9. baller4life315

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    Yes, she will be his VP on election day. It would be political suicide to do anything otherwise. If he somehow gave her the boot or she dropped out that would immediately put McCain's decision making under scrutiny. Not only that, but i'm sure the media would paint the McCain camp as bullies that "forced" a woman out of her position.

    There is nothing to gain from McCain's standpoint with a discussion like this.
     
  10. count_dough-ku

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    Why are we even discussing this? Of course she'll be his VP choice on Election Day. In spite of the gutter politics on display by the left-wing blogs, the media, and even an Obama spokesman who associated her with "Nazi sympathizer Pat Buchanan"(his words, not mine), McCain is behind her. The conservative base is behind. The GOP is behind her. And if they keep this misogynist crap up, 80% of women voters in this country will be behind her.
     
  11. pgabriel

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    so criticizing a woman's personal life is mysogynist but criticizing obama's preacher is releavant. you guys are off the charts this weekend.

    and two of the issues swirling around mrs palin aren't even personal, trooper gate is about her governing history, the political party she belonged to is about her philosophy
     
  12. yaoluv

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    Does anyone know what day her speech is?

    It will be a CRITICAL moment in the election.
     
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    Rev. Wright is completely different. That's a church Obama chose to take his family to. That's an association he had for 20 years. That's a man he described as his spiritual advisor. So that at least had some legitimacy to it. Obama denounced the man and he doesn't go the church anymore. Fine. End of story.

    Regarding Palin, the trooper issue is fair game. I have no problem with the media covering that. Although there's not much more to discuss until a decision is made on whether or not she's guilty of misconduct.

    Her personal life has nothing to do with this campaign. Her daughter is irrelevant. Her husband is irrelevant. Her Down Syndrome baby is irrelevant. And yes, if the media is out there reporting smears from DailyKos, then they are misogynist. There is no excuse for sinking to this level.
     
  14. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I think she will resign under the pressure ...and cite the "need to keep her family out of it"....


    DD
     
  15. Desert Scar

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    I agree with most of this except one caveat. In both cases of the Down's child and her daughter’s pregnancy she and her advisors have talked about it publicly and linked it to her anti-abortion positions. If you are making positive political hey with it (she could have left both matters entirely 100% private—saying I absolutely won’t discussion any family matter). At a minimum I think it is fair to question whether she has given any further study or engaged in additional dialogue about whether she still maintains the same positions’ against comprehensive sex education or contraception for minors.

    Now I don’t think it is fair at all to question the daughter or her motherhood (though I think the questions of her motherhood and family commitment considering she has rather consistently worked outside the home and has 4 minor kids, one with special needs, will come more from conservative persons than liberal persons), but the degree these incidents intersect with her public positions and that she has talked about them, yes fair game.
     
  16. Batman Jones

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    The thing on Kos was a random diary posted by a user, not a mod of the site. And the comments section was practically all people saying it's irrelevant and wrong to talk about it, just like I said on this site.

    Blaming kos for that is like blaming Clutch because George said that Obama was a gay crackhead.

    As for the rest of your "points," if you have to call somebody a misogynist for opposing Palin you're no better than the people who say that anybody that doesn't vote Obama is racist. In fact, you're worse. At least it makes sense for blacks to support Obama. Palin is anti-women's rights. It makes more sense for misogynists to vote FOR her than against her.
     
  17. t_mac1

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    people need to realize we live in american politics. why are people surprised at all of this public, positive or negative, scrunity about these candidates?

    we had crazy attacks on obama from his reverend to his association with retzko to his drug use... now we have the same on palin. when you are new to the scene, esp. to the great national scene, the public will try to find all the dirt about you -> to them controversy SELLS. i won't be surprised if the republicans go back and try to dig more dirt on his reverend and other stuff.

    i do feel bad for the palin's kids b/c 3 of them are teenagers and it'll be tough for them to deal with this publicly (since they do go to schools), esp. under very negative scrutiny.

    but let's be real. palin knew what she got herself into. NOBODY is off-limits in the public or politics.
     
  18. KingCheetah

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    Why would Palin drop out of the race ?

    ...Poor parenting, connections to the Russian mob/ KGB, her polygamous cult ties, completely and utterly inexperienced, cankles -- help me out here..?
     
  19. t_mac1

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    the negative scrunity her family is under, esp. for the teenagers. she goes from not much public exposure in a small state like alaska to basically worldwide exposure (b/c the world does follow our presidential campaign)
     
  20. yaoluv

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    i think she won't last.

    forget the pregnancy thing

    There are so many legit scandals surrounding her that her first press conference will be TOTAL CHAOS.

    how many minutes did mccain talk to you before you got picked?
    troopergate?
    why did you join the alaska independence party?
    They will ask her about various foreign policy things, 'I haven't thought much about the Iraq War' will not cut it. Mccains team will be working overtime to prep her so that she doesnt make a fool of herself here
    When did you change your mind and oppose the bridge to nowhere?
    When did you change your mind and oppose earmarks?
    How is your relationship with Ted Stevens?
    What was your role in his 527 group?
    Why did you ask all of the city managers to resign upon being elected mayor?
    and the list goes on and on and on

    HO HO HO EPIC CHAOS.
     

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