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Another injury signals our destiny: is it realistic to bench Amen ever again?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mathloom, Jan 7, 2025.

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Who sits if Brooks/Amen are playing well when Jabari returns?

  1. 38%-shooting Brooks

  2. Budding Star Amen

  3. 6'11 Jabari who was hitting 40% of his 3's and playing really good defense

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  1. Rileydog

    Rileydog Member

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    Jabari off the bench is the obvious choice for multiple reasons.

    First, cannot take Amen out. His development is the most important long term and short term goal. Gotta accelerate his learning against opposing starting players and defenses. Gotta find out how to best optimize amen, Jalen and sengun.

    Second, we are winning this year and you don’t mess with what is currently happening.

    Third, Jabari is an ideal small ball 5. Off the bench, he has the potential to anchor the super switchable, defensive terror lineup that includes Jabari, Tari, Amend/Brooks plus Cam.

    Fourth, brooks, for all his limitations, is still a superior defender compared to Jabari, especially against starting caliber players. Amen + Brooks sets defensive tone right off the bat.

    Lastly, personalities and egos should not matter, but they do. Jabari won’t complain and is a true team oriented guy. Brooks likely has more ego, is a veteran, has the big contract and almost certainly more mercurial.
     
  2. A_3PO

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    Think again: Jabari wants to get paid in the off-season and benching him would puncture those hopes. I don't believe he would take it well at all.
     
  3. Hemingway

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    Too bad if he doesn't take it well. I'd like him to replace Dillon in the starting line-up, but if the only choice is Amen, he needs to come off the bench. I think its pretty obvious that Jabari is more important to our defense than Dillon. Since he went down our defense has been giving up way more points. Dillon also is doing what he did last year, which is reverting to the norm on 3 pt shooting and has begun to tire out on the defensive end. Unfortunately, I think Ime is much more worried about hurting Dillon's feelings than hurting Jabari's. Also we don't have to extend Jabari next year. He doesn't go to RFA until the year after. He won't pout, as it will ruin his leverage.
     
  4. bustamove

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    [QUOTE="Rileydog, post: 15553097, member: 4361"
    Second, we are winning this year and you don’t mess with what is currently happening.
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    well we've been winning so far

    let's see the where team's record and performance is since he went out until the time he's 100% ready to play again
     
  5. Newlin

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    Frankly, I don’t care how Jabari takes it. I don’t want him on the team on a big contract. He’s a poor ball handler and has a low BB IQ. He’s a ball stopper on offense and you don’t want to give him the ball on a fast break. We are going to have to move on from some of our young guys at some point and I would pick Jabari to go.
     
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  6. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
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    I think it's easy Jabari should start in place of Brooks. Conversation about Amen will be over by the time Jabari is healthy. Let's assume Brooks maintains league average shooting the rest of the way (roughly 36%).

    Jabari:

    - He's better at guarding PF's and C's which is a much bigger gap for our team.
    - He's better in transition.
    - He's a WAY better rebounder and shot blocker, which we need
    - He's an equally respected shooter, way more likely to improve than Brooks

    The ONLY downside is that Brooks is a better wing/perimeter defender. Totally disagree Brooks is better at guarding 4's or 5's. He doesn't have a strength or speed advantage there, still can't outplay his man in transition, exceptionally poor rebounder. Jabari was playing very good interior defense before he went down and he's a sound perimeter defender that we put on some good offensive players.

    If Amen is guarding the best perimeter player and Jalen/FVV are splitting the other two and Tari is backing Amen up and we have Tate for emergencies - we really don't need Brooks, it's a total luxury. Some teams have a ton of dangerous wings, most teams don't. It's awesome to have him, he's a great player. But be honest, he's the first one you would consider trading if you wanted to avoid disrupting our defense. You're not trading Tari or Amen before him.

    I also happen to think Jabari was on the cusp of a breakout shooting season. This injury may slow things significantly, but I think we're simply going to prefer him over Brooks. After your core of Amen/Sengun/Green, the most important need is shooting, the second most important need is defense and the third most important thing is safe hands (low turnovers). Jabari is exactly what we need, at this point in his career a super role player type would be awesome for this team if he can achieve that. Spacer and no-complaints defender. Rebounder and help on the inside. Switchable. Hard worker. You're not leaving him open for 3.

    Jabari and off-ball FVV would make fine shooters for this set up (should be lots of kick outs), I trust them to take a high volume of assisted catch and shoot 3's - they both have very good %'s in that area recently. That's what's sorely needed. Brooks is having a great shooting season for his career but he still doesn't create more spacing than Jabari, teams are more likely to dare Brooks to shoot tbh.

    So EVEN if it's a tiny bump down in defense, you already made up for that when you upgraded from Brooks to Amen defensively in the first place. It's balanced. It's nice.

    Sengun/Adams
    Jabari/Tari
    Amen/Brooks
    Green/Whitmore
    FVV/Amen/Sheppard

    This team has a chance of winning a title in 2 years if it does nothing but work on its shooting. Happy to let Tari try to steal that spot away from Jabari but he'll have to improve his shooting a lot to do that.
     
    #106 Mathloom, Jan 17, 2025
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  7. RB713

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    Amen is our best player in 2 years. He should never see the bench.

    Think Jabari should start, he won’t because of Dillon vet and contract.

    I think Jabari would wreck **** coming off the bench. He would score quick vs other scrubs. 6th man for him and Tari behind.
     
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  8. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
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    I told y'all, destiny was forced upon us. It's sounding like everyone is in agreement that we can't sit Amen.

    Sengun, Amen, Green is a fun core if it's legit. The shooting scares me but the quality of the other 2 starters can lessen a lot of the pressure. Our dream goal should be for those other 2 starters to be elite 3pt shooters who can also play defense. OG Anunoby or Brunson type of guys, hard to get.

    Pretty sure our best shooters outside The Big Three is going to end up being Reed and Jabari but I could be wrong. FVV has great off ball catch and shoot numbers. Cam's FT% is a red flag but he could surprise me too. Tari can get there but he has a lot of work to do. I can see him at 38 % when he's above 25 years old and his game slows down while he gets stronger.

    The pieces fit nicely. I totally disagree with the notion our team isn't built well. It's essentially missing one thing: replace Dillon Brooks with a Kevin Durant lite. We're fully loaded to acquire that kind of player. Essentially if we could fast-forward Jabari's development by a few years we'd be solid. A real sniper who can bring dynamic defense. I do think an investment in shooting and offense assistant would go a long way in improving this team, hope that's on the agenda this summer. One more great basketball mind would be great in the locker room.
     
    #108 Mathloom, Jan 17, 2025
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  9. Arnel

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    Disagree on letting Jabari go. You need a guy like Jabari to win a championship. Doesn't require high volume shots, plays good defense, a good shooter for a PF, does the dirty work. You can't have all playmakers and scorers in there it doesn't work like that. Getting rid of Jabari would be idiotic lol, but thankfully I think the rockets are aware of that.
     
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  10. Arnel

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    Excellent post. Agree 100%
     
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  11. keeez

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    I think you have to prioritize Jabari's growth and development over Dillon's marginally better defense. We talk about Amen opening things up for Jalen - I think he does the same for Bari. Not to mention, Bari and DB's roles overlap a bit, especially on the offensive end. Both mostly spot up from 3 and you occasionally see them take a 1-2 dribbles for a pull up middies if the offense struggles.
     
  12. Hemingway

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    Great post.
     
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  13. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
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    "Ime, he better not go to the bench ever again!"

     
  14. A_3PO

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    This is a rare example where outside talking heads actually have a clue about the Rockets.

    A good listen IMO.
     
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  15. Rileydog

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    Yeah, I’m stupid and rescind what I said about Brooks staying in the starting lineup and Jabari coming off the bench. I’m not sure what is happening with Brooks. His calling card is his on ball defense, and it has turned to crap. He is a foul machine when he isn’t getting beaten off the dribble. He gives us very little on offense and stops the ball too damn much for a limited offensive player, instead of just automatically re-routing to Jalen or Sengun.

    If Jabari returns and resumes play at pre-injury level, he should continue to start and command pretty big minutes. Brooks is also well behind Tari as the first wing off the bench.
     
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    Brooks started last season hot and then got worse. Maybe he just burns himself out a bit?

    Today's performance was terrible (he wasn't the only one, but at least the others did something).
     
  17. Hemingway

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    Man. It's amazing how many people are coming around to what I've been saying all along. Amen should be starting and Dillon should be traded or coming off the bench. Said it before the season and saying it again. Please listen when I tell you that picking up FVV's option or renegotiating his contract would be foolish. Trade his ass right now with a couple of picks for Durant or let him walk.
     
  18. MacNYao

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    Any updates on when Bari coming back?
     
  19. JW86

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    Yeah I am all in on Brooks going to the bench.
     
  20. arno_ed

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    Agreed, on defense Brooks is already used as a big, I think Bari would suit that role just as well.
     

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