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Another injury signals our destiny: is it realistic to bench Amen ever again?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mathloom, Jan 7, 2025.

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Who sits if Brooks/Amen are playing well when Jabari returns?

  1. 38%-shooting Brooks

  2. Budding Star Amen

  3. 6'11 Jabari who was hitting 40% of his 3's and playing really good defense

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  1. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
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    So here we are. Amen is starting. He's going to average big individual numbers. We may find that in 2 months when Jabari is ready to return, he has to unseat a 38%-shooting Brooks or household name Amen to start. Feel bad for Bari. Things were looking up. Team is looking to acquire a star in the summer and that might complicate things even more.

    How do we tackle this? Do we give the starter position back to him cause technically he never lost it in a fair battle? We bench an Amen looking like the beginnings of a star? Or do we bring Jabari off the bench going into his extension summer?

    I predict this is going to be a way more difficult choice than we think right now. Who sits?
     
  2. groovemachine

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    Amen goes back to 6th man but plays 30 mpg. Next year he is a starter
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    Maybe just sell high on Brooks? Trade him to another contender for draft capital and one plus shooter. Don't really need a return that has a player that requires a lot of minutes because we are struggling to find minutes already for certain guys especially if Tari ever comes back.

    This way Jabari can keep his starting spot which is needed honestly because he is one of the few players on the team that can stretch the floor especially if Amen is joining the starting line up.
     
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    I never even thought of this but it's a really good question to ask. It's also really hard to answer now and maybe it will be easier and more clear once Jabari is ready to come back. But if nothing major changes, and Amen continues to look really good as a starter...I don't envy Ime/Stone in that position. It will be a really tough decision and I think someone is gonna be unhappy no matter what. I think the most diplomatic decision would be to move Amen back to the bench, but would they really do that knowing it would make the team worse?
     
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  5. ThatBoyNick

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    Sit Jalen

    it would realistically be Smith, he’s the only one who hasn’t been paid amongst the starting group
     
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  6. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
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    Long-term no doubt it's Brooks. It's always been Brooks and his shooting this season is so bitter-sweet because we need it but it complicates the hell out of the inevitable outcome. I believe Tari and Amen are already higher impact players who just make some young mistakes. I believe Bari will be better in an absolute maximum of 2 years and he will be an incomparable player to Brooks - he will be a big PF/C while Brooks will be a SF only.

    Unfortunately Jabari is coming back post trade deadline so if we trade Brooks we would have to do it at his peak and while we don't have Jabari. Could be the right move, but I doubt Ime allows it because he's quite risk averse.
     
  7. Mathloom

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    Does it have to make the team worse? You can nominally start Bari, less minutes than before, while Amen gets more minutes off the bench.

    The real problem I'm pointing to is: in 2 months time, ESPN is going to be talking about Amen like they do about Sengun if not better. Are we going to bench a STAR? Especially with everyone here so sure we don't have one.
     
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  8. Chayvan

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    First page yeah!
    Amen should be a starter and he is destined to be our franchise player. Bari or brooks should come off the bench. I dont care which one.
     
  9. AroundTheWorld

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    Jalen.

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    It's a pretty massive swing.

    Fred, Amen, Dillon, Alpi WITH Jalen: -16.5 in 101 possessions.
    Fred, Amen, Dillon, Alpi WITHOUT Jalen: +32.6 in 191 possessions.

    Actually, one of the best lineups would be if Tari could get healthy: +54.5 in 47 possessions (admittedly small sample size)

    Fred
    Dillon
    Amen
    Tari
    Alpi


    Big lineup except for Fred, and could switch everything.

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    Bari because he is coming back from Injury. Let him work his rythm back with the 2nd unit.

    Evaluate and iterate
     
  11. meh

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    Give him some more time. Amen is still not consistent enough on offense to be solidifying anything. Because of his lack of shooting, his offensive production will fluctuate based on how defenses play him and his transition opportunities. He is already averaging 28mpg on a playoff team in his 2nd year. No need to hurry.
     
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    We won’t decide, Ime will. Ime has 4 to 8 weeks to see how well these new rotations work against some of the best teams in the league. Frankly, I don’t care who starts, as long as we get wins. Amen is going to get plenty of minutes even if he doesn’t start.

    If John Havlicek and Kevin McHale can come off the bench, then any of our guys can come off the bench. Furthermore, I don’t see Amen, Brooks, or Smith being unhappy coming off the bench as long as they are part of the rotation and getting minutes.

    Not having Tari or Smith in the lineup is definitely giving Amen and Cam an opportunity to show Ime what they can do with more minutes. This could benefit us down the line.

    At some point Brooks will probably be the odd man out as he gets older and the younger players move into their prime years.
     
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    I meant worse comparatively. If the best possible starting lineup (and best minutes distribution) involves starting Amen, then you are making the team worse by benching him. It's worse relative to the optimal decision. If starting Amen leads to the most wins, I just have a hard time seeing a guy like Ime benching him to "keep the peace" and manage feelings/egos. He seems like the kind of coach that will do whatever makes us win the most and not really care about someone's feelings getting hurt. But it also might be out of his hands.
     
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    Had we not just extended Sengun, I would think that it might actually be the case that Jabari moves to the 5, and Sengun goes to the bench. I love Sengun but guys lets be honest about how horrible his defense has been lately.

    I don't think Sengun will sit, but I do think when Jabari comes back (or Tari comes back for that matter) I think the guy whose minutes get eaten even if he starts is Sengun.

    Big fella has gotta start playing better. This should clearly be his team, and he should be heading to his first all star game, but he has been pretty bad as of late to be honest. Everyone healthy... Amen still comes off the bench but Sengun's minutes get cut significantly.

    (putting my flame suit on)
     
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    Jabari will come off the bench when he gets back. Amen has to start from now on.

    Jabari and Brooks are the "role" players of the starting lineup. It has to be one of them. And right now, Brooks is still better at everything over Jabari.
     
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    Brooks to the bench could give that 2nd unit a boost.
     
  17. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
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    You know, I agree with the shooting stuff. But with everything in statistics, there's outliers. If someone told me such and such player can't shoot but he's fast and strong and jumps high and plays hard... I still wouldn't buy it. That's not an outlier. Shooting is so important. An athletic player can't make up for the shooting we need.

    However, Amen is arguably the most athletic player in NBA history. That is a genuine argument. Lebron James believes Amen Thompson is on another level than him athletically. He's rebounding the ball like Charles Barkley. He can generate 5+ assists, 3+ stocks. Biggest of all: he is the 2nd best overall defender and the best perimeter defender in the NBA. I get that 99.99% of the time it won't work. But this might actually be that 0.01% of the time guy man. If there was ever going to be an outlier to our faith in shooting, oof Amen will test the F out of your principles.
     
  18. Mathloom

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    I see, agreed. Yeah I don't buy this thing about Ime not having a say. I thought it plausible last season because Stone could make a handshake agreement (I hire you but you protect my guys too). I don't think Udoka takes this job if that's the deal the whole time though. He has better options.
     
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  19. meh

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    I mean the fact that he can't shoot will make him a liability on offense in certain matchups. There's a reason why just in the last 12 games, 3 of them he finished with 5 or fewer points. And this is all against opposing backups. He may be uber athletic but he can't score at will the way a Zion or Giannis can. People keep making comparisons, but Amen doesn't have that force of nature ability to get to the paint at will.
     
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    They’ve had him on the bench even though it made us worse all year.
     

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