(Another Harden thread) Stephen A says the Rockets aren’t giving Harden a Max deal.

Taking a nose dive to what? We’re the worst team in the league, in large part because our pg play is a complete disaster, which causes the rockets to have the worst (or 2nd worst or whatever) offense in the entire league. If harden is a cancer in the locker room (never read that anywhere but could be wrong), what is kpj? This is just wild stuff man, i know you’re kpj above all no matter what but you gotta have SOME sense of reality

 

The trajectory is currently pointing up, if you sabotage the new coach and bring in a loser like Harden to mentor the young guys into being losers like him, that trajectory starts pointing back down.

You still whining about KPJ throwing soup years ago while capping for Harden who has quit on or actively sabotaged basically EVERY Team he's been on is hilarious.

Harden constantly shows up out of shape, he quits any time things get hard, and ALWAYS prioritizes partying over winning. That's not the values you want taught to young players.

 

This is SAS assuming that Tilman was turned off by game 7 performance.

I think SAS does have some connection with Tilman, I know he mentioned liking the guy and hanging out with him once but I doubt this is insider stuff from him, as in he spoke to Tilman. SAS will just come out and say "I've talked to..."

It sounds more like "See how bad he was this game? No way he's getting a max deal after this..."

I doubt Tilman cares, he knows Harden puts butts in the seats and sells tickets and generates interest and have you seen Toycen lately? Place is as quiet as a Sunday morning funeral.

I don't know about 'Max' but I would not be surprised if his largest and best offer comes from the Rockets.

 

I gotta say I don’t believe that stat

you wanna know why .. they say min 50 attempts with 5 min or less left and the score margin of 3 or less (and heavy contest from defense)

There’s no way the rockets were even in that situation enough for green to take that many shots .

and stop this with the “nba teams scheme for green”

1- I’ve looked at the numbers , they double KPJ more

2- all opposing players have talked about is how they have to plan for sengun

3- no team is actually devoting efforts towards trying to prepare to play the rockets … you wanna know how teams prepare to face us ..? They go party the night before

I really hope green is better next year . I hope coaching was a large part of his lackluster effort .

But my Tate fandom pales in comparison to your green fandom

I blame the org . They sit Tate so we lose games and they play green 35 mpg to “develop” him

 

thats what I’m talking about

out of the entire last 2 years … there might have been 5 games where we played a top 10 team and they were actually playing hard.

We have zero experience facing a good team that actually tries to plan to beat us and brings a strong effort . Much less a series of that .

with the way the nba is nowadays you can get lucky or unlucky on your threes . We just aren’t good enough even when getting lucky

we won 20 something games .

the idea that any of our players would be better than a past mvp is absurd .

our guys wouldn’t get minutes over Norm Powell

 

I mean were things not tough in game 1 , game 4 , game 5 ?

I understand you don’t want KPJ to lose his spot to harden . But if the goal is to improve the win total this year , harden is a big upgrade

frankly I think you and I are on the same page that

harden , kpj > harden , green . But we (think) we know the way the org is going to go .

I don’t want harden that much . It depends on price . I think he will undoubtedly change the offense and make things easier for all other players . Buuuut , he’s not going to help bring a culture of accountability on defense … at least at the guard position. Or period .

kpj in a bad game leaves at half

My preferred vet is the Memphis gun slinger . And not Morant
Have you seen the arms on Bane
That’s the guy I’d give up a bunch for

 

If you don't trust those numbers then why do you trust "double team" numbers?

How do they record a double team?

This team has a combo of poor outside shooting and explosive drivers to the rim. This results in opposing defenses playing a full zone or "half" zone type defense a lot against this team which naturally results in the pg having a situation where they technically are "doubled" because the pg is at the soft spot of the zone where technically there are two players in the vicinity of the lead ball handler because of the nature a 2-3 zone defense is set up.



KPJ would often be between players 1 and 2 and that probably is recorded as a "double team"

 

I mean, it has nothing to do with KPJ, he'd be the guy who would benefit most from Harden being here since he's the only guy on the team that can shoot.....so having someone besides himself capable of even basic ball handling would be amazing for his game.

The problem is, this isn't a video game.

When you bring in a cancerous element like Harden, you are immediately sabotaging the new head coach, and you are bringing in just about the worst possible mentor for your young players and that has consequences.

That's why the ONLY way I'd want Harden back is for the league minimum in a bench role....so that when he starts making demands and starts sabotaging the team, you can just cut him.

 

And after watching every game this season(ya I watched every game) the player that recieves the most intentional traps and doubles is Green especially on the pnr where they essentially completely ignore Sengun.

This notion that some players asked about Sengun in a post game presser bdd they had high praise for him doesn't mean ****. Someone asked about Green to Luka and Luka said he's already a superstar and they should build around him. Bit on not going to bring that up as some stupid point of evidence. So don't go there. That's horrible logic.

 

oh so kpj is only “technically doubled”

but for green , oh , they are reallllly scared of him . Other teams stay up at night racking their Brains thinking of how to stop him .

and I don’t trust the double team numbers . But green could have been in that situation too .

I don’t think teams really cared about EITHER green or kpj that much

really our best guard was Tate . When we starting playing him as pg off the bench things settled down a bit . Kpj and green got to watch a vet play under control .( hillarious for tate I know , but true )

 

1. This is the highest level of competition in the sport of basketball. A single game is worth hundreds of thousands for individual players. Coaching and training staff have full time jobs. If your regular 9-5 job has "busy work" then the lower tier coaching assistance and members of the training staff also have busy work and that busy work is preparing for even scrub teams. If you think NBA teams don't prepare for even scrub teams you need to take like 5 meta steps back and understand the level of competition the NBA is and also understand that NBA staff "practice" preparation with bad teams. "preparation" is a job skill and employees of a NBA team are going to practice their preparation skills. Do you work for a living because I feel like someone's completely removed from work culture would say something like you said.

2. Every team has a player NBA teams most concentrate on. This is what we refer to as "relative scaling". It should be a very simplistic common sense notion but obviously it isn't for some people like yourself.

3. Opposing NBA defenses are afraid of Green's ability to beat perimeter defenses. So yes they are afraid of that and if you actually watched every game you will see how almost all opposing defenses when Green has the ball in a half court set has one primary defender on him and at least one big and or long wing inside the three point line covering his driving lanes usually ignoring one or two other players on the court. In a pnr situation whether it's Sengun or Garuba, the defense completely ignores the screen setter in the pnr play and just tried to trap Green. They didn't do that as much towards the end when Smith was the screen setter as he became a threat as a pick and pop player towards that last third of the season.

 

Did you really expect a more intelligent response from someone who lives to cap for Jalen Green?

Tate is absolutely terrible though, kind of always has been. It's weird that there's still people buying his BS.

 

This didn't match with eye test and it also doesn't match with advanced analytics as Tate has one of the lowest offensive rating on the team this season.

When you got defenders sagging off you, it's much easier to see the floor lol.

 

I mean , teams sag off of lebron and morant too . It’s because they’d rather them eat you with the shot than with a drive

 

Lebron and Morant increase their teams offensive rating when on the court. Green and KPJ do that. Tate doesn't. Why? Because he's far less talented then those two.

 

I don't agree that this performance turn people off the people that love James just don't care what he does in a game seven they just think he'll sell tickets they'll make the playoffs and they're happy enough with that. Those of us who know he is a failure never expected him to win that game seven. I was a season ticket holder when he was here I loved him up until the point I saw that he just has a quitter mentality when it gets going too rough. Kevin McHale pointed it out when he was here and I hope that he would grow but the dude just loves the strip club life not being a champion. Being a champion is much more hard work and dedication than James will actually ever truly put in. The Great Hakeem Olajuwon put in the work he put his team first he took them and put them on his back and he made sure they could perform when it mattered most. Not to mention dream did it while he was in Ramadan. Kobe spent every offseason working on his game. Magic always talked about how every year he knew he had to add something to his game because he knew Larry was adding something to his game James is who he is and he'll never be a winner.

 

Will a "better PG" magically help this team shoot better? Asking for a friend.

 

No, but a system will.

DD

 

Of course, that’s how basketball works. Better pg = better looks

 

The ROX were DEAD LAST in both 2pt FG% and 3pt FG% when WIDE OPEN! Not sure that was a system problem.

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/sho...&SeasonType=Regular+Season&dir=D&sort=FG3_PCT