Another deal scenario for our Nuggets friends...involving the Cavs' Andre Miller

is there anyway to do this WITHOUT cato?

can we have someone else?

doesnt matter...cavs would never do it.

 

Well, I guess you can get one more post out of this because I know that you will respond being the Pavlovian dog that you are.

My ignore list has just been increased from 0 to 1.

Det "free-post troll" the Threat, welcome to ignore.

 

<B>In other words, you will act like a bandwagoner - hating him when something goes wrong and "giving him his props" when things go well? </B>

Call me crazy, but I thought criticizing players for bad things they do and praising them for good things was called being objective.

As for your trade, I wouldn't do it for one simple reason: stability. Every year, we talk about how this team just needs time to work together and grow into their roles, etc. Then every year, we change out half the team (this year, adding Rice, Griffin, Torres, Morris, Brown, losing Olajuwon, Bullard, Anderson, Taylor).

No matter how much talent the team has, this team will continue to suck as long as we keep switching out 4-5 players year-in and year-out. I say just leave the team together, let it get healthy, and see what they can do. Add one or two players, but that's all, unless you can get a CLEAR upgrade in your talent level.

 

Ditto. Cato. Ugh. Sigh. All in all, I'd say the deal is pretty fair. Cavs aren't getting as ripped off as others are saying.

It's funny though, because today I posted a thread on the real Nugs board talking about trading Raef and Van Exel for Miller and Ilgauskus.

 

I'll give you points for creativity, but that is one ridiculous trade.

 

Are you seriously saying that the backcourt considered by many to be the best in the league is some sort of obstacle to our becoming a dangerous team? That is like saying the Grizz suck in spite of having Jason Williams as their starting PG. Your player talent evaluation/basketball logic is backasswards.

 

Before I start, I must say those are really creative smilies. Well done!

Houston trades:
PF Dan Langhi (1.3 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 0.1 apg in 6.1 minutes)
PF Jason Collier (1.5 ppg, 0.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 4.0 minutes)
C Kelvin Cato (7.0 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 0.3 apg in 24.9 minutes)
C Maurice Taylor (7.0 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 0.3 apg in 24.9 minutes)
Houston receives:
PF Brian Skinner (3.4 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 0.3 apg in 43 games)
SG Wesley Person (14.2 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 2.3 apg in 44 games)
SF George McCloud (7.3 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 35 games)
C Raef LaFrentz (14.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 1.2 apg in 44 games)

Now, although Langhi and Collier have not played to their potential, imho they eventually will be better than Skinner and/or Person. Second, and most important, I would rather have Cato and Mo Taylor than McCloud or LaFrenz. McCloud is getting long in the tooth, and LaFrenz gives us no physical, interior defense.

Also, the Rockets are starting to get a sense of how their teammates play. That would be destroyed with four new players in the mix. I have said in other posts, and I believe it with all my soul, the Rockets will be far better off adding one quality player in the draft by packaging Toronto's #1 and our #1 with perhaps one "surplus" player to get another Griffin-quality rookie.

And, may I say again, your smilie add-ons are super!

 

<B>However, I don't see Cato as part of the core at all, and I think LaFrentz would be a CLEAR upgrade in talent level. Plus, I think the emergence of Griffin and also Thomas makes Mo Taylor somewhat expendable</B>

I think it all depends on what you think about Cato. I still think Taylor is better and more useful than Thomas, to be honest. People are writing him off already, but remember we've had 2 bad years sandwiching one good year, and that year we just happened to have Taylor. As good as Thomas may be, we're still not winning, even with Cato, Francis, Mobley and Griffin all playing well.

As for Cato, I think if you designed the perfect center for our team, he's it IF motivated (and that is the big question). He brings rebounding, shotblocking, and easy dunks. Doesn't demand the ball, which is perfect since we are overloaded with scoring options. However, his weakside dunking means that the other team's center can't come to shot block our guards, or likely gives up an easy dunk. That's exactly what we need for driving guards.

Now, that all assumes Cato stays motivated, which is the huge question. I'm going to hope he will -- I don't think LaFrenz provides the things we need out of a center.

 

Hmmm...no. That is not what I'm saying. If you go back and look at some of my earlier posts in this thread, I was talking about a backcourt of Miller and Francis. However, I was hoping that Miller would be obtained by dealing Mobley because I don't see all 3 of them being able to co-exist on the same team. Having Rashard Lewis with Miller and Francis would make this team one to be reckoned with. Having him with Mobley and Francis would make this team dangerous but not as good as Miller and Francis.

It boils down to Miller vs. Mobley. I like Andre better than Cuttino because he has the same physical tools plus a basketball brain. Sorry, if that logic is "backasswards" but it is called being rational and objective.

 

exellent post

 

another reason why this board is great...smilies are appreciated.

i got banned from using my barrage (i love this word) of smilies on the nuggets board. argh.

 

Just so Manny can see it around his ignore list.

 

TRADE CONFUSING

 

That's because you're an idiot!