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Another day another mass shooting

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AleksandarN, Nov 8, 2018.

  1. Amiga

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    Yea, I would be very proud of how they handled it, and very sad at the same time that they have to deal with this crap.
     
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  2. Reeko

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    crazy that u never really know if today will be the day it’s your school’s turn to get shot up

    and here we have the dumbass accessory to murder dad supplying the murder weapon for Black Friday…

    dumbest and most unaware dad of the year award goes to him
     
  3. Reeko

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    back in the day we had to practice drills for if there’s a fire…now u gotta practice for if there’s a shooter
     
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  4. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Times a changin.
     
  5. J.R.

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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10261497/PICTURED-Slain-Michigan-students-Hanna-St-Julian-Tate-Myre-Madisyn-Baldwin.html

    Myre was shot when he tried to disarm the shooter and died in a patrol car as deputies rushed him to an area hospital. St. Juliana and Baldwin were pronounced dead when officials arrived at the scene.



    Four students were in a critical condition. Among them, a 15-year-old boy with a gunshot wound to the head and a 14-year-old boy with gunshot wounds to the jaw and hand. Both were being treated at McLaren Hospital.

    Two girls - aged 14 and 17 - were in critical condition being treated at Hurley Medical Center in Flint and St. Joseph Mercy Hospital in Pontiac.

    The 14-year-old was on a ventilator following surgery, police said.

    Three students, two boys aged 15 and 17 and a girl aged 17, were listed as 'expected to survive' after being shot in the leg, hip and neck respectively.

    A 47-year-old teacher was discharged from McLaren Lapeer after being shot in the shoulder.



    Rick Alan, whose daughter Katelynn attends Oxford high, said he received a frightening text message as the chaos was unfolding.

    'Dad I love you,' it said. 'There is a shooter at our school and I love you so much and you are the best dad I could have ever asked for.'

    She emerged from the school uninjured after sending the messages.

    'I pray that no one ever gets this text message from their child,' her dad wrote on Facebook.

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  6. Jugdish

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    I mean, they were almost certainly taught at the beginning of the school year what to do when someone is shooting up the school, so they were prepared.

    And...this is fine.
     
  7. tmoney1101

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    True but I don’t know if they prepared for the shooter to impersonate an officer. That was some on your toes thinking. Then the awareness to know they have him positioned and that it was an opportunity to bolt out the window to safety was impressive.
     
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  8. Phillyrocket

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    First of all this is so sad and heartbreaking.

    Sadly If the Parkland shooting didn’t turn the tide of gun control laws this won’t even register a blip.
     
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  9. J.R.

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    We live in a society...where guns have more rights than innocent children.

    Prob same reason why some children turn out that way.
     
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  12. Phillyrocket

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    #truth

    Likely that kids father paid more attention to his gun collection than his son.
     
  13. Reeko

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    he looks like that doll from the movie Dead Silence

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    it’s insane that someone like that could kill so many people…if the dad doesn’t get charged for handing him the murder weapon it will be an absolute joke

    hold the parent accountable too

    Tf are u doing buying your deranged son a gun for Black Friday?
     
  14. edwardc

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    So true but as a society we have to do better and work harder to become better people.
     
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    Parents of Michigan shooter charged with involuntary manslaughter in deadly school shooting l ABC7

     
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    The mother of accused school shooter Ethan Crumbley wrote a rambling open letter to Donald Trump in 2016 praising his support for gun rights, and now both she and her husband are facing criminal charges in the shooting.

    'As a female and a Realtor, thank you for allowing my right to bear arms,' wrote mother Jennifer Crumbley, 43, in the November 11, 2016 blog post days after Trump was elected.

    'Allowing me to be protected if I show a home to someone with bad intentions. Thank you for respecting that Amendment,' she continued, apparently referring to the Second Amendment of the US Constitution, which protects the right to keep and bear arms.

    Now both Jennifer and her husband James Crumbley face potential charges after a prosecutor said Thursday their actions went 'far beyond negligence' and that the gun used in the school shooting 'seems to have been just freely available' to the teenager.

    Ethan Crumbley, 15, has been charged as an adult with two dozen crimes, including murder, attempted murder and terrorism, for a shooting Tuesday at Oxford High School in Oakland County, roughly 30 miles north of Detroit.

    In Jennifer's 2016 open letter to Trump, she also spoke of her son's struggles with math in school, appearing to blame Common Core and illegal immigration.

    'You see Mr. Trump, I need you to stop Common Core,' Jennifer wrote, noting: 'My son struggles daily and my teachers tell me they hate teaching it but the[y] have to. Their pay depends on these stupid f***ing test scores.

    'I have to pay for a tutor, why?' she continued, 'because I can't figure out fourth-grade math.

    'I used to be good at math,' Jennifer noted, adding that she cannot afford a tutor for her son and 'in fact, I sacrifice car insurance to make sure my son gets a good education and hopefully succeeds in life.'

    At that point, Jennifer started complaining about 'illegal immigrant parents' and their children at a school where her mom teaches.

    'Most of their parents are locked up,' Jennifer wrote. 'They don't care about learning and threaten to kill my mom for caring about their grades.'

    'Do you realize Mr. Trump that they get free tutors, free tablets from our government so they can succeed?' she continued. 'Why can't my son get those things, do we as hard-working Americans not deserve that too.'

    She concluded her rambling letter by saying: 'Mr. Trump this is why I voted for you.

    'I see the change that we so desperately need. I see jobs coming back, people having to work for their handouts, money going to [those] who really deserve it.

    'I believe YOU are the president who will make these things happen.

    'I have NEVER had this much belief in one person,' she noted, 'and you are it.'

    Jennifer signed the long-winded letter 'A hardworking Middle Class Law Abiding Citizen who is sick of getting f***** in the a** and would rather be grabbed by the p****,' a nod to the former president's now infamous line about being famous.

    The Sun reports that the letter was later shared to Facebook by her husband, James, who commented: 'My wife can be spot on. Sometimes.'
     
  17. VanityHalfBlack

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    You wanna minimize school shootings and fights? Simple, start implementing martial arts in the curriculum starting with kindergarten. Balance and discipline. Only problem is not a lot of great masters out there and there’s few and far between. Never mind we’re fuked.
     
  18. J.R.

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    Parents of the alleged Michigan high school shooter charged with involuntary manslaughter
    The parents of the Oakland County, Michigan 15-year-old suspect in the Oxford High School shooting on November 30 have been charged with involuntary manslaughter, the Associated Press reports. Local law enforcement confirmed the parents of the student met with school officials about their son's behavior and mental health just hours before the fatal shooting, according to the Associated Press. Three teenage victims – ranging in age from 14 to 17 – were identified late Tuesday by local authorities, while a fourth teenager died on Wednesday from his wounds, according to national and local news outlets. Three of the seven injured remain in hospitals.



    The parents of a teen accused of killing four students at a Michigan high school were charged with involuntary manslaughter Friday as a prosecutor described chilling moments that day when a teacher found a drawing of a gun, a person bleeding and the words “blood everywhere” at the boy’s desk.

    Oakland County prosecutor Karen McDonald said the parents committed “egregious” acts, including buying a gun and making it available to Ethan Crumbley and failing to intervene when they were summoned to the school Tuesday and confronted with the drawing.

    A teacher found a note on Ethan’s desk and took a photo. It was a drawing of a gun pointing at the words, “The thoughts won’t stop. Help me,” McDonald said.

    There also was a drawing of a bullet with words above it: “Blood everywhere.”

    School officials told James and Jennifer Crumbley to get their 15-year-old into counseling, McDonald said.

    He was returned to class and later emerged from a bathroom with a gun, firing at students in the hallway, according to police.

    Jennifer Crumbley texted her son after the shooting, saying, “Ethan, don’t do it,” McDonald said.

    “These charges are intended to hold the individuals who contributed to this tragedy accountable and also send the message that gun owners have a responsibility,” McDonald said. “When they fail to uphold that responsibility, there are serious and criminal consequences.”

    Sheriff Mike Bouchard disclosed Wednesday that the parents met with school officials about their son’s classroom behavior, just a few hours before the shooting.

    The superintendent for the district late Thursday posted a YouTube video where he said the teenager was called to the office before the shooting but “no discipline was warranted.”
     
  19. Phillyrocket

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    This letter might encapsulate everything that is wrong with the GOP. Completely oblivious to the problems in their own house with their own family and their prejudices and beliefs while blaming everyone and everything else. Scared and angry over immigrants and perceived threats that have never hurt them. All culminating in a disaster of their own making that hurt innocent people.

    I hope they both get life in prison.

    Teachers multiple times warned the parents and school officials that he was shopping for ammunition in class and writing disturbing notes. Mom texts about the ammo: “you need to learn how to not get caught.”

    That’s a Trump voter right there. Let’s see if NewsMax runs this story as a headline complete with her letter to Trump.
     
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    https://www.thedailybeast.com/ethan...harged-in-wake-of-oxford-high-school-shooting

    Four days before 15-year-old Ethan Crumbley allegedly opened fire at his Michigan high school, his parents bought him an unusually early Christmas gift: a 9mm Sig Sauer handgun.

    The teen accompanied his father, James Crumbley, to buy the gun at Acme Shooting Goods in the small town of Oxford. Ethan referred it to that night on Instagram as his “new beauty.”

    The next day, his mom, Jennifer Crumbley, who once posted an open letter thanking President-elect Donald Trump for protecting “my right to bear arms,” penned her own Instagram post. “Mom & son day testing out his new Xmas present,” she wrote, Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald said on Friday.

    By Monday, however, Ethan’s new present, which was kept in an unsecured drawer in his parents’ bedroom, was already causing concern at Oxford High School.

    A teacher found Ethan searching for ammunition on his cell phone during class and reported it to higher-ups. Administrators left a voicemail for Jennifer Crumbley and followed up with an email, but received no response.

    “Lol, I’m not mad at you. You have to learn not to get caught,” Jennifer texted her son.

    Conduct by James and Jennifer Crumbley before and after the shooting was “so egregious” that it warranted charging them with four counts of involuntary manslaughter, McDonald announced Friday in an extraordinary move that is a rarity in the U.S. legal system, which seldom holds parents of school shooters accountable for their child’s actions.

    On the morning of the shooting on Tuesday, a teacher was “alarmed” at a drawing made by Ethan. It included a handgun with the text, “the thoughts won’t stop. Help me,” and a bullet with the words, “blood everywhere.” There were also some laughing emojis, a person who’d been shot, and the words, “my life is useless,” and “the world is dead,” McDonald said.

    The drawing prompted staff to remove Ethan from class, and his parents were called into the school. James and Jennifer were shown the drawing and told they had to “get their son into counseling within 48 hours.”

    “Both James and Jennifer Crumbley failed to ask their son if he had his gun with him or where his gun was located, and failed to inspect his backpack,” McDonald said.

    They resisted taking Ethan home with them and left the school soon after, she said. Ethan returned to class with the handgun in his backpack.

    “The notion that a parent could read those words [in the drawing] and also know that their son had access to a deadly weapon that they gave him is unconscionable. And I think it's criminal,” McDonald said.

    Just after lunchtime that day, the sophomore student went into a bathroom with his backpack then came out into a hallway and started shooting students at random, sending terrified teens ducking for cover and into hiding, police said.

    As news alerts went out about an active shooter at the school, James Crumbley “went straight to his home to look for his gun,” McDonald said. Jennifer Crumbley texted her son, “Ethan, don’t do it.”

    James then called 911 to report that his gun was missing and that “his son could be the shooter,” McDonald said.

    Acme Shooting Goods declined The Daily Beast’s request for comment on Friday. Multiple attempts to contact the Crumbleys were unsuccessful.

    Involuntary manslaughter was “the strongest possible charge that we could prove and that there’s probable cause to charge,” said McDonald.

    Ethan has been charged as an adult with one count of terrorism, four counts of first-degree murder, seven counts of assault with intent to murder, and 12 counts of possession of a firearm.

    At Crumbley’s arraignment on Wednesday, Oakland County Sheriff’s Lt. Tim Willis said police seized “two separate videos recovered from Ethan’s cellphone made by him the night before the incident, wherein he talked about shooting and killing students the next day at Oxford High School.”

    Willis also told the judge that investigators discovered a journal in Ethan’s backpack, “detailing his desire to shoot up the school, to include murdering students.” Social media accounts showed Ethan practicing with a Sig Sauer handgun identical to the one used in the shooting, Willis told District Court Judge Nancy Carniak.

    The day after James Crumbley bought the weapon, a woman in Florida filed a complaint against him for thousands in unpaid child support, according to court records reviewed by The Daily Beast. Money has apparently been an issue in the Crumbley household for several years. Shortly after the 2016 election, Jennifer Crumbley posted a missive to Donald Trump in which she claimed she was skipping car insurance payments to hire a tutor for Ethan, blaming the “common core” curriculum mandated in schools. She seethed in the letter about schools where the “kids come from illegal immigrant parents” and “don’t care about learning.”

    “As a female and a Realtor, thank you for allowing my right to bear arms,” Jennifer Crumbley wrote. “Allowing me to be protected if I show a home to someone with bad intentions. Thank you for respecting that Amendment.”

    James Crumbley posted a link on Facebook to his wife’s screed, commenting, “My wife can be spot on. Sometimes.”

    There are no laws in Michigan requiring gun owners to lock up their weapons and keep them away from children.

    Ethan Crumbley has pleaded not guilty, and was transferred from a juvenile lockup to the Oakland County Jail, where authorities say he is under suicide watch. He is due back in court on Dec. 13.
     

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