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Another day another mass shooting

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AleksandarN, Nov 8, 2018.

  1. mr. 13 in 33

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    This is about toxic masculinity and narratives that lead these acts of violence to being carried out. A country that has glamorized guns, violence and power as a result of being the best of the best is not going to prevent mass shootings by changing laws. This would have still happened with the strictest gun laws - it was done with a .45 caliber that anyone can purchase. Mental health prevention is as important as being able to properly diagnose it (I have spoken with many professionals who say much of it, in regards to will they go over the edge, is like shooting a fish in a barrel).

    The Vegas shooter would have passed the most rigorous mental health screening. 50+ dead. You have to start at the foundation.

    Remember, each kid has their own narrative growing up of something being fair or unfair that lets them justify wrong decision after another.
     
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    All of those people killed and congress has sat on they're arses and done nothing one potus has tried to get to something by adding the mentally challenged to Gun check register but then this new so called leader removes it.
     
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    Let's make a black market instead... see if that helps violent crime rates.
     
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    A looooot of people have a hollywood picture of ptsd... it isnt all soldiers who have a fuse waiting to go off....
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    A bunch of people have ptsd. You cant just blanket take their gun rights.

    This subject isn't that simple

    You think a bunch of war damaged vets are gonna let you take their guns. You might start a real war on the rest of us

    Edit: whatever you feel about guns, the right to protect yourself is fundamental.

    Someone breaks in your home while you are home no govt agency is gonna be there. People with ptsd cant lose that right based on what amounts to be a few people snapping.

    Im not arguing about AR 15s. This is about fundamental rights. There are plenty more drunk driving deaths annually. Plenty more all kind of unnatural deaths annually.

    Should people who drink lose their driving rights?
     
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    Actually, not going out is the best defense.
     
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    There are unique and dysfunctional things about America that don't have anything to do with gun laws. Our society, with its puritanism, feminism, and police state, creates deranged individuals. Add in a free-market/knowledge economy, and some people are going to be left looking in from the outside, with a dash of mental illness added in. Some of these individuals get ahold of a gun and then do horrific things. So, starting with an examination of gun laws is looking at a symptom, not the origin, of the problem.
     
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    Yeah because guns and alcohol mix well. Awesome idea!
     
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    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Got a better one? No law minus banning guns could have prevented what happened last night.
     
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    Because there are more crazy and mentally disturbed people out in public than there used to be. The question then, is -- why is this? I would suggest that closure of institutions, along with the increase in broken families, play the largest roles.
     
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    And related to this is the question -- at what point can you have someone committed? You are essentially taking their freedom away.
     
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    Tell me how a person drinking alcohol carrying guns is a good idea? We have enough bar fights as is. But let’s bring guns into the mix.
     
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    There are many things we can to restrict mentally ill from owning guns. What did trump do?
     
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    I really hate the use of this PC term. That same "toxic masculinity" gets roads built, power lines hung, cars fixed, plumbing installed.....I could go on.

    How about -- "mental illness."

    Yes, it's men who do these shootings. But only a very small percentage.

    There are those in the "cathedral" who would tar an entire gender with this phrase. Just one more piece of evidence of the rampant misandry in our society (that no one thinks about).
     
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Absolutely, people who drink to excess and drive should (and do) lose their driving rights.
     
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    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Undiagnosed PTSD isn't going to stop someone from possessing a gun especially if he was ex military or active duty. Restricting the buying of a gun maybe but this person had no history of treatment so tell me, what could have prevented this?

    I do think guns in bars are not a good thing but the point is that there is no way to protect a group of unarmed drinkers from a man who can legally own a gun. You can try having an officer there but that didn't work.
     
  19. AleksandarN

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    Put more resources into mental health for starters. Have stronger background checks. All sensible. Or do you disagree?
     
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    This is such an American way of viewing things.

    "Well, we're special!!"

    There are unique things about every country. many of which also have disturbing a histories (often much longer and more culturally ingrained) with violence, slavery, criminals, yada yada potata
     

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