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Another Crazy Obama Pastor!!!!! From the Trinity Church

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ROCKET RICH NYC, May 30, 2008.

  1. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    Denial? Just because he's half black/half white that makes him qualified to end white privilege? What else is he going to do? Cure Cancer? :rolleyes:
     
  2. Drexlerfan22

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    WOW.

    WOW.

    WOW.

    WOW.

    How about we take a look at the very post you were quoting:
    Again: WOW.

    And YOU complain about me putting words in YOUR mouth.

    WOW.



    I need to stop arguing with someone incapable of reading.
     
  3. Invisible Fan

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    So Hillary being the first female president wouldn't change a thing in social power dynamics?
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    I didn't say you defended McCain, but you have ignored his connections, not posted any articles on real top level connections involving McCain, while at the same posting article after article about Obama's tenuous and irrelevant connections.

    You don't have to defend McCain, to make it obvious that your interest is in trying to tear down a candidate and not a genuine effort to seek out and shine a spotlight on our political system or the players involved.

    As far as Obama's connection to lobbyists, his finances are all on record, and even the people mentioned in your articles aren't connected to Somalia Warlords, brutal regimes in Burma, and the like.

    Again you are trying to stretch to make one candidate look bad rather than show any genuine concern about judgment and people surrounding the candidates.
     
  5. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    the point I was making about the lobbyists is that he is tied to them. Yes, you are correct, Obama isn't tied to the ones McCain is - yet.

    I'm not ignoring McCain's ties to lobbyists. He's been in the senate way too long to have clean hands. We all know that. Nothing surprises me about him. Just because I'm not posting about McCain doesn't mean I think highly of him. I'm just posting about Obama because nobody else is. I just want to bring out more information that you may or may not know about him. I certainly want to know what we are getting into with Obama.

    As I said before, I don't completely buy his good guy messiah persona. I want to know more and share with you all. ;)
     
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  6. FranchiseBlade

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    He isn't tied to those.

    The finances are all a matter of public record thanks to Obama's bi-partisan work in the Senate which passed the bill he co-sponsored making it the law to make those finances public.
     
  7. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    You have a point, but according to Drexlerfan, Obama would be a step in the right direction. :rolleyes:
     
  8. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    Axelrod isn't a registered Lobbyist in Illinois because of loose disclosure laws, but he might as well be one.

    But the activities of ASK (located in the same office as Axelrod's political firm) illustrate the difficulties in defining exactly who a lobbyist is. In 2004, Cablevision hired ASK to set up a group similar to CORE to block a new stadium for the New York Jets in Manhattan. Unlike Illinois, New York disclosure laws do cover such work, and ASK's $1.1 million fee was listed as the "largest lobbying contract" of the year in the annual report of the state's lobbying commission. ASK last year proposed a similar "political campaign style approach" to help Illinois hospitals block a state proposal that would have forced them to provide more medical care to the indigent. One part of its plan: create a "grassroots" group of medical experts "capable of contacting policymakers to advocate for our position," according to a copy of the proposal. (ASK didn't get the contract.) Public-interest watchdogs say these grassroots campaigns are state of the art in the lobbying world. "There's no way with a straight face to say that's not lobbying," says Ellen Miller, director of the Sunlight Foundation, which promotes government transparency.
     
  9. Drexlerfan22

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    For white privilege. Hillary would have some sort of effect, but it would instead be for women.
     
  10. Invisible Fan

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    But isn't Obama's situation the same as Hillary's? Both candidates, if elected, would tear down socially accepted barriers for their respective groups.
     
  11. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    Captain Obvious at work.
     
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    You made it plain earlier that you were incapable of reading, so I thought I'd help you along.

    You're welcome.


    So you still deny that of the three candidates, Obama would do the most regarding white privilege?
     
  13. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    What are you basing Obama's qualification on? The color of his skin?
     
  14. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    Let's replace Rev Pfleger comment's with Obama's name and see if it has the same affect:


    "I really believe that HE just always thought, 'This is mine! I'm Obama I'm black, and this is mine! I just gotta get up and step into the plate,' " he said. "And then out of nowhere came, 'Hey, I'm Hillary Clinton,' and He said, 'Oh, damn! Where did you come from? I'm black! I'm entitled! There's a white woman stealing my show!'

    "He wasn't the only one crying," he added, and feigned weeping. "There was a whole lot of black people crying."

    Now how many people would be offended?
     
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    We go through an entire discussion over white privilege, and you shrink back to this? Who are you... Geraldine Ferraro?

    You could've framed your question into a more legitimate point regarding the two candidates, but you chose the easy way out to expose your obsession over some racial injustice that you're either blind or unwilling to logically quantify.
     
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    Hmmm... perhaps because he's the only candidate who admits it's an issue? Perhaps based on his own speeches?

    Oh yeah... that. :rolleyes:



    You still haven't answered the question: do you still deny that of the three candidates, Obama would do the most regarding white privilege?
     
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    Wow, this is a real stumper. But I'm gonna give it a shot:

    Perhaps people would be offended by that because THERE IS NO "BLACK PRIVILEGE" ISSUE, while the WHITE PRIVILEGE ISSUE IS VERY REAL.

    Wow, that was tough. You're really makin' me think today.
     
  18. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    All speculation. There are many men like Obama who could do something but don't - Bill Clinton for one (afterall he was America's first Black President :rolleyes: ). It's obvious you want me to say Obama just for the satisfaction of seeing me say it, so just to please you...Among the three, one would ASSUME Obama. Until then when he actually does something about it, he's ALL TALK!

    So answer my question

    Give me a reason why you believe Obama will do the things he SAYS he will do.
     
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    To paraphrase John Stewart, "today, Obama actually spoke to Americans about race as though they were adults." Never saw Bill talk like that. And certainly Bush didn't.



    EDIT: by the by, who exactly ISN'T "all talk" at this point? Last I checked, none of the three candidates have been president already.
     
  20. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    Oh really? So there is no Black Privlege ? Black Privilege happens all the time in the Music Industry. I've seen it with my own eyes both on the radio level and at the record company level. The very people that control the airwaves and influence society thru music.

    Read this book. You will find it very interesting.

    http://www.lawrenceotisgraham.com/content/our_kind_of_people.asp

    Written by a Harvard-educated lawyer who grew up in many of the oldest black elite organizations, Graham is best known for his undercover work as a busboy at an all-white Connecticut country club, where he exposed its social practices of exclusion.
    Graham’s controversial book not only profiles some of the most prominent black names and institutions in twelve different U.S. cities, but it also gives the inside scoop on such by-invitation-only black society groups like Jack & Jill, the Links, the Boulé, the Girl Friends and the Guardsmen. After his six years of research, Graham shares information on the right fraternities and sororities, the right black boarding schools, the right black churches in each city, as well as which prominent black families continue to give back to the black community and which now exploit their light complexions to “pass” as white.
    A second-generation alumnus of the Jack & Jill children’s group, a member of the 90 year old Boulé and the son of a Link, Graham offers a perspective that only an insider would have.

    Table of Contents:
    Chapter 1 The Origins of the Black Upper Class
    Chapter 2 Jack and Jill: Where Elite Black Kids Are Separated from the Rest
    Chapter 3 The Black Child Experience: The Right Cotillions, Camps, and Private Schools
    Chapter 4 Howard, Spelman, and Morehouse: Three Colleges That Count
    Chapter 5 The Right Fraternities and Sororities
    Chapter 6 The Links and the Girl Friends: For Black Women Who Govern Society
    Chapter 7 The Boule, the Guardsmen, and Other Groups for Elite Black Men
    Chapter 8 Vacation Spots for the Black Elite
    Chapter 9 Black Elite Life in Chicago
    Chapter 10 Black Elite Life in Washington, DC
    Chapter 11 Black Elite Life in New York City
    Chapter 12 Black Elite Life in Memphis
    Chapter 13 Black Elite Life in Detroit
    Chapter 14 Black Elite Life in Atlanta
    Chapter 15 Other cities for the Black Elite: Nashville, New Orleans, Tuskegee,
    Los Angeles, Philadelphia
    Chapter 16 Passing for White: When the “Brown Paper Bag Test” Isn’t Enough
     

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