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Andrew Bynum: How good is he?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Rocket River, May 8, 2012.

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  1. HI Mana

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    The simple fact that Bynum can shoot free throws means you can go to him in clutch possessions, while any team with Dwight on it will need someone else to create offense down the stretch.

    For bigmen whose names don't rhyme with Smolajuwon, it takes years to refine a simple jump hook + dropstep counter. The fact that Bynum has legitimate moves that work means he's years ahead of Dwight in that regard.

    Also, it's also why we shouldn't give up on Patrick Patterson just yet; his footwork in the post definitely improved this year, and there were many times he created an open look but didn't have the touch to finish. A full offseason and healthy ankles might just do the trick.
     
  2. wekko368

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    You can run an offense through Bynum. You can't say the same thing about Dwight.

    Out of curiosity, do you think Blake Griffin is a better offensive player than Al Jefferson?
     
  3. Juxtaposed Jolt

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    I'd go with McGee. The length he had tonight against the Lakers was scary.

    If he develops any sort of jump hook or post-up game, look out.
     
  4. jordnnnn

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    Light years is a stretch, but he is right.

    They have almost identical TS%, eFG% and FG%. Bynum owns FT%. All the total #s that dwight has the advantage in can be attributed to usage and team structure. Pair Dwight with Kobe and his scoring totals wouldn't be as good.

    Dwight is 2 years older and if you look at the per36 #s for them this year they are very similar. Dwight isn't completely inept offensively, but he doesn't have great touch and relies more on strength and athleticism. Bynum easily has a more complete offensive arsenal and actually isn't a complete liability from the line at the end of games.

    I actually believe that with the type of players that they are, Bynum would be much better off on Orlando and Dwight would be much better off on the Lakers.
     
  5. Jamers

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    Bynum need more touches and it will not happen with kobe taking too many.
     
  6. ObamaFan

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    And when Kobe is gone, so he can get more shot attempts. his effiency is pretty good, when he gets shot attempts
     
  7. GreatOne1978

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    Bynum is basically the equivalent of Roy Hibbert. He looks good because he is playing next to Kobe. The 7 games Kobe was out his efficiency went down the toilet
     
  8. plutoblue11

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    I hate to agree with a Kobe-fanatic, but he is right about that. Bynum's efficient suffered a little thrown into the go-to guy role (sort of like Pau Gasol), he's just not made to be a go-to guy. I've heard one person said that Bynum could be as good as Shaq ever was. I shook my damn head in utter disbelief.


    Where do people come up with this stuff from?
     
  9. J.R.

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    As good as he wants to be. ;)
     
  10. txtodd

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    Haikufixed.
     
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  11. Mariachi ROCKET

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    He's fat albert in High School remember??? LOL

    One someone starts to dominate him like Javale did last night he seems to get discouraged... He needs more brains then skills to reach his dominate potential.
     
  12. VBG

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    Are you really saying Orlando's offense isn't run through Dwight?

    Have you even watched an Orlando game? o_O

    Dwight makes whoever he is running the PnR with ELITE.

    You do realize that TS% accounts for Free throw percentage?


    And defensively it isn't even close.

    Pair Dwight with Kobe and Gasol and he probably shoots 80% from the field.
     
  13. wekko368

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    Of course I've watched an Orlando game. That's how I know their offense isn't run through Dwight.

    Do you know what it means to run an offense through a player? It means to give him the ball and let him make decisions based on how the defense reacts. Orlando doesn't do that. Do you realize how often Dwight doesn't get touches unless they're offensive rebounds?

    Wow...

    A PnR's effectiveness is based on the guard, not the center. The pg needs to pose such a threat that both defenders shade to him, and that creates the opening for the big to roll to the basket.

    For example, Deandre Jordan is offensively inept, but he looks pretty good when he's in a PnR with Chris Paul, right?
     
  14. emjohn

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    He'd be the best in the game if he had more maturity than a 12 year old. Phil Jackson couldn't stand his lackadaisical approach to the game, and you can tell Mike Brown can't stand him either.
     
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    Andrew is still young in many ways, he's also got some miles on him due to the severe injuries and joining the League at 18. That said, the Lakers have done a tremendous job of developing him. And Andrew has shown a lot to rehab back the way he has. This guy wants it enough to fight back and beyond where he was....all the while refining his game. Put that together with his immense talent, well ...

    Such a rare combination in this huge beast.

    As cooliobob mentioned, there is the fantastic footwork for anyone, let alone a man his size.

    He also has a soft touch that belies said size.

    When moved, he rebounds with ferocity and is severely underrated defensively.

    And he has that edge. It gets him in trouble now, but is part of that make up that has, again brought him back from potentially career ending injuries and made him so tough out there.

    As the primary focus on a consistent basis Andrew would be devastating. I'm pretty sure the questions about his consistency would quickly disappear.

    But - I have serious doubts as to his ability to hold up and be a "cornerstone of a franchise" guy.I think Andrew will either end up in Springfield or out of the League in the next few years due to his body giving out. There's just no middle ground as I see it. While it might frustrate Andrew to no ends at times, the Lakers really have the ideal setup for Bynum, with the support/insurance from Kobe and Gasol extending/maximizing his career.
     
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    You can't discount Dwight's ability to get opposing bigs in foul trouble. His strength and athleticism is simply overwhelming, and even with his "unrefined" post game, there are only a handful of centers in the league today who can single-cover him, and none who can stop him if he establishes great position (and as an aside, anyone who discounts the importance of the finisher with regards to executing a successful PnR is a fool).

    Anyway, as for Bynum, he's plenty good. He's always been a strong rebounder, he's got remarkable hands for a big, and great footwork for someone so young. That said, while he is still young, he's been in the league long enough that he shouldn't be having the lapses in focus that you still see from him on a game-to-game basis. And just because he managed to stay healthy this year, one has to wonder how much time his knees have.

    At this point in his career, I don't think he's at the point where he could be the best player on a championship team.
     
  17. t_mac1

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    He's the #2 center in the league. He demands double/triple teams on a team with Kobe Bryant. He averages 19/12 (AVERAGE). He has figured it out more often than not.

    But he's 24. The superstar consistency comes with time, AND maturity. Next year will be a turning point for him.
     
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    He seems lazy at times. Physically he has the tools to be a monster.
     
  19. VBG

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    Wow...

    You think JJ Barea would destroy the Lakers if ran a PnR with someone not named Dirk Nowitzki?

    You think Jameer and Hedo are top 5 players in the league running the PnR? Because that's what they were last year when the played with Dwight.


    I can't believe you think the big doesn't matter. Wow.

    You're completely ignoring the effect that Dwight has on the other team.

    1. Other team gets into foul trouble. Gets into penalty. Can't be aggressive when people drive because of foul trouble.

    2. He cannot be single covered by most bigs. No one can outmuscle him. He gets great position and the rest of the team has to help.

    3. On the pick and roll, someone has to come over leaving shooters open because you can't guard the pick and roll with Dwight with just 2 people since he can roll and catch an oop or get perfect position every time.

    4. When he gets the ball in the post he gets doubled and at this point he is slightly better than Bynum at dealing with doubles (Bynum should get better at this).

    5. Dwight does not have the best big man passer and most complete big man 7 footer playing with him.


    The entire offense is predicated on Dwight forcing the other team to make decisions. Even if he doesn't have the ball his impact is huge.



    And of course defensively it is barely in the same ballpark.
     
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    Not as good as a focused McGeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     

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