You just described an injury prone player. Only missed 17 games? You realize that's 20% of the season, right? I mean, I'll give him freak injury benefit of the doubt as well, but in his 6 years, he's only played more than 70 games twice. As a comparison, Dwight's been in the league 7 years, and has played all 82 games 5 times, and has played a lot more in the playoffs. Sure, Dwight is incredibly durable, and younger, and aside from his one year where he missed a ton of games, Bogut does at least play in the mid 60's number of games... ... But, as has been point out, that's a track record of frequent injury. Personally, if you just used the type of 3 way example thrown out in this thread as a means to get a Bogut type player, I'd rather just take the draft pick and draft Kanter, who seems very Bogut like in his game. Suck again for another year or two, load up on lotto picks, Lowry will still be solid, Martin will still be efficient, Scola should be a great tradeable vet, and if a few eyars hope you have an OKC type squad. It's a risk, but you make the right pick this year and just make a pick in the lotto next year (where the draft should be stacked with talent), and it is a very plausible scenario.
If they got this deal Kahn instantly made up for most of the stupid decisions he made as gm. This trade would border on Pau Gasol rapage of the grizz...esp. if the 10th pick outperforms the 2nd (and there's a high chance of that happening since the 2nd will be boom or bust types like Kanter or Williams).
My guess is his arm is still completely messed up from that injury, to the point where the Bucks don't feel comfortable keeping him around.
FYI DH's kind of like a rare breed. Him, Dirk and LBJ are the only freak athletes I know who don't break down despite a lot of contact. Everyone misses some games a season. That Kanter dude you like also has some knee injury history, Bogut OTH had no injury issues when he entered the league.
Unless Bogut's gonna lose all feeling on his arm or get nerve damage he should be fine. Arm injuries are recoverable.
I love Bogut, a complete steal for anybody that don´t include an all-star in return. but please, don´t give me that crap, about, arm injuries are recoverable. Did you even see what he did to his arm, I mean, when I saw Rondo, it was nasty but still, that can happen, go see what happened to Bogut again. That was a severe injury, that CAN bother him to the rest of his life, don´t know if it will tho. Bogut = Underrated PeAcE
If the Rockets could pull off the rumored trade with Chicago for Asik, Korver + picks 28 and 30 with a package of Lee, Hill and fillers( possibly Bud ), then their next trade should be this.. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3h3jl7o Scola, Lowry, Williams + the #23, #28 and #30 picks for Bogut, Jennings and #10. Use that #10 pick for a defensive minded SF like a Chris Singleton and #14 for, you guessed it, Marshon Brooks. We would still have #38 to draft one of the Pg's that they have been working out lately. Preferably a PG/SG combo player like Deandre Liggins. Maybe instead of taking #23, they could convince them to take #38 with a 2012 pick. Then use 23 to draft Shumpert/ Jimmy Butler. Lineup would look like: Jennings/ Dragic/ #38 Martin/ Brooks Korver/ Singleton/ Bud? Pats/ Hayes or Hayes/ Pats Bogut/ Asik/ Thabeet/ Miller/ Yao Thats a pretty darn good line up if you ask me. Maybe even contention worthy.
I don't think that the Bucks would get raped in this trade. Yea they give up alot in Bogut and the #10, but they'll most likely get Milicic and Randolph and the #2 Randolph is a soon to be 20-10 guy. and Milicic could be capable role player if he played starter minutes. Also Williams has potential. The Bucks just have too many bad contracts.
Would a package of PatPat, Thabeet, Miller (filler) and multiple #1 picks (starting with our two first rounders this year) be enough to get Bogut?
I agree on all points. would personally draft williams #2 over Kanter, anyway. Was just noting that Bogut actually IS injury prone. He doesn't just miss some games, some seasons. He's missed 15%+ of regular season games 4 of his sixe seasons. I don't see how that lineup would be considerably better than the Bucks lineup last year, much less contend for a championship. It would certainly be better, because of KMart... but considerably better? The point to my post above was that Bogut is, when healthy, or if counted on to play consistently in say 72+ games a year and be healthy for the playoffs, a very very very solid center. But he isn't a game changer. He helps get you to the playoffs... but then what? Rather take my chances with rebuilding then reloading. And maybe that means trading for Bogut because he would be a better piece to have to rebuild with... but give up 2 of next year's first round picks (when at least one should be in the lotto of a very deep draft) plus other assets for him? I'd pass. With simply Bogut added to the current squad, you're looking at slightly better version of the Dallas Mavericks supporting cast, without Dirk. To really contend in the NBA you need at least one top 10 talent. To come close to really contending you need at least a top 25 player, or two. Bogut is, MAYBE, borderline top 25. He is underrated because he is definitely top 25 defensively, and that is something of great need for the Rockets. But he's not a game changer. Add in that he IS injury prone thus far - even though he may not continue to be so... and it's a pretty big risk. Rebuild seems the better choice. Trust that your organization (specifically DM and scouting) is capable enough to be able to turn some good draft picks over the next few years into at least 1 consistent all-star / superstar type player. If DM can figure out a way to do that while maintaining a near playoff level of performance (ala the Lakers when they drafted Kobe), all the merrier. And I certainly understand the risk of turning into the Celtics or TWolves. But I think everyone would agree those squads have serious organization issues first and foremost (Sterling, Kahn) that the Rockets don't seem to have. So rather use the Thunder as the model. I'd rather be trading away players for potentially lotto picks next year than trading away lotto picks. Sure, the Sonic/Thunder went through 4-6 years of pain, but they are now set up for a consistent run of 5+ years of deep playoffs, potential championships, etc. And shrewed GM'ing can turn that into a 10+ year stretch, if they stay healthy.
I'd rather have Asik, because we can pay him much less with the new CBA. That's a killer deal for the Wolves, and they'd be crazy not to take it.
Bucks general manager John Hammond told me a few minutes ago that trade rumors circulating about center Andrew Bogut are not accurate. "There's no truth to any of these false rumors that have been reported," Hammond said. One report said the Bucks were considering a deal that would send Bogut and their No. 10 pick in Thursday's draft to Minnesota for the No. 2 overall pick. Hammond said the Bucks "have not" talked with the Timberwolves about a deal. It's worth noting that Bogut was the No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft. And while the 7-foot center was limited while recovering from major injuries to his right hand and right elbow last season, he continued to anchor the Bucks defense. Bogut has three years and nearly $39.5 million remaining on a five-year, $60 million contract extension he signed in the summer of 2008. Hammond said he and his staff continue to evaluate players at the No. 10 spot, and the Bucks will have a final workout for prospects Tuesday at the Cousins Center. "We haven't tried to limit ourselves by position," Hammond said. "We're still in the decision-making process we've been in, to acquire the best player on the board." http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/124219914.html
I'm pretty sure I know how this rumor started (assuming that it was not simply created by some random guy on the internet): (1) Hammond calls Kahn, inquiring about the availability of the #2 pick. (2) Kahn asks for Bogut and the #10 pick in exchange for the #2 pick. (3) Hammond politely declines without immediately hanging up the phone or otherwise cursing Kahn out. (4) Kahn views this as an opening to (once again) leak trade rumors to the press.
BimaThug feels that no one in this draft will be as good as Bogut. There is no doubt that there isn't a true center available in this draft,who can defend at his level. However,I feel that Irving can outmatch him in 3-4 years if he remains healthy.
No way the Bucks do this deal ....probably just another BS rumor put out in an attempt to drive up the price for #2 and Kanter.
milwaukee is stupid if they did this. anyways, we need to get in on this. bogut is an all-star center.
