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Andre Roberson Leaves a less than expected tip in ATX

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Daddy Long Legs, Jul 8, 2017.

  1. TracywtFacy

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    It's infiltrating other countries too, this is happening more and more in Australia also.

    We actually have a good pay rate for hospitality/service and a good minimum wage, yet feel we have to import this trend for some reason, despite having no tip culture to begin with...
     
  2. DudeWah

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    What's a Best Buy worker making? $10 an hour?
     
  3. Daddy Long Legs

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    here's my opinion on the situation: why does nobody care about the little guy getting taken care of?

    hate the system all you want but its set up to where the business owner of the restaurant always gets what he wants.

    If you protest the system by not tipping, all you are doing is hurting the little guy. Maybe you guys are correct when you say that the employers should pay the employees and not you but I think a better way to protest the system in that case would be to not go to the restaurant to begin with then. Eat/drink at home. That's what makes change and takes money out of the owners pockets.

    If you go to a restaurant and tip shitty the only one you are hurting is the guy at the bottom of the food chain.

    If Andre truly did just ask for a bottle and a waiter just had to reach for it and hand it to him then I understand but if he is lying and was being served, waited on, and attended to all night then I think it is low class to not leave at least a 15 percent tip.

    I don't think a lot of yall have ever been in the service industry. I was a pizza delivery guy in college and I agree that the tipping system is all kinds of weirded out by social pressure. Sometimes you can do more work as a pizza delivery guy and deliver hundreds of dollars of food but you still only get a 3 dollar tip haha but in that same situation a waiter would get at least 15 percent of 200 when they didn't have to spend gas money or climb staircases up to your 5th floor apartment. (seriously. I delivered to a party where I had to walk up 5 flights of stairs back and forth like 4 times with hundreds of dollars of pizza and only got like a 3-5 dollar tip because i'm not a waiter lol)

    A lot of y'all bring up great points about how stupid the tipping system can be. I just think it's deuchey and only hurts the little guy if you spend a big bill and don't tip though. It's not their fault that their employers don't pay them. Also the "if you don't like it then get another job" excuse is terrible. A huge amount of these people are doing anything to scrape by while they pay student loans and other things while trying to get a better job.
     
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    What difference does it make if the restaurant has to increase prices? If tips are de-facto mandatory, then the true price is already higher than the listed price anyway.

    You order $100 meal and pay $20 tip. Your true price is $120. If they instead just included the tip or just raised price to be $120, again your true price for the meal is $120.

    The only advantage to tipping I see are IMO not legit:
    1. Tax evasion
    2. Not "mandatory" so patrons can leave little to no tip. If so then, no one should ever be shamed for doing so. Otherwise it's indeed "mandatory".

    The fact of the matter is that it is indeed "mandatory" in the sense of you are very much expected to tip. If so then just include it in the price. And if a server is providing poor service, you can just as easily tell the owners as leaving little tip.
     
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  5. Easy

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    That actually is what most people would prefer. No tip. Charge higher. Pay the servers better.

    If the restaurant really cares about good service, have a good complaint system to punish bad servers and reward good servers. Service should be part of why a customer choose to return or not to return to a restaurant. It's the owner's (not the customer's) responsibility and interest for quality control.
     
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    I don't think this is a normal tipping situation. We aren't talking about a regular $50 check at dinner.
     
  7. Nook

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    When you go to a club or bar, you tip because it is the right thing to do.

    He is a public figure and is very well compensated. If he didn't properly take care of his server, then that is on him.
     
  8. Daddy Long Legs

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    I absolutely agree but showing up to restaurants and not tipping does nothing to make that a reality. The owner still gets his money so it makes no difference. some restaurants actually fire waiters that don't get tipped enough because it's illegal if they don't end up reaching minimum wage. So they just fire those guys.

    The only one you are hurting is the guy at the bottom. If you really want to protest the tipping system then don't participate in restaurants. Eat at home. That's the only thing that affects the owners pockets and would cause change.

    Kinda sounds like a convenient excuse and a way to self justify being cheap and screwing these people over lol.

    I agree with you though.
     
  9. Daddy Long Legs

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    and shane battier is the one who has the reputation for being a good person. go figure...

    if you aren't a jerk you will eat at home or tip the people who serve you.

    I absolutely agree with everybody saying the system shouldn't be set up like this but the only way to change it is to not participate in restaurants. going to restaurants and just not tipping just screws these people over.

    just a very convenient way to self justify you being rude and leaving these people hanging lol
     
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    if that is true then I ABSOLUTELY agree with you. that's literally nothing. a 6 year old can do that in 30 seconds.

    I believe it is different if he was being attended to, served, and waited on throughout the night though.
     
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    Anyone ever heard of a "tip share". Its been a while but i used to work in a bar. Most bartenders are sharing their tips(at a specific percentage normally around 3-5%) with barbacks and sometimes even with someone that helps clean the bar after it closes. Also, if the bartender is reporting cash tips(credit card tips are automatically reported) then they are paying taxes on their tip as well. The bartender most likely paid to serve mr roberson after his 2.8% tip.

    Tip your bartenders/waitstaff people. If you dont feel like it then eat/drink at home.
     
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    I went to Japan and got a coffee and a tea for my wife. I tried to leave a tip and they refused. I insisted and they again insisted that I don't.

    If all they brought was a bottle, why the hell should he leave a tip relative to the price of the bottle? It's one damn bottle! Did they stand there and pour it the whole time?

    I remember having a birthday party at Guadalajaras on 59 and there was 21 of us. One waiter. Not only did he handle the whole table by himself, but when we asked him to split the bill at the end he did it no problem. That man deserved a massive tip because he waited on 21 people with individual plates and beverages multiple times.
     
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    Totally with Andre. Just because they charged him 450 for a drink doesnt mean he needs to tip an additional 75 for the waitress to bring it to him.
     
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    Pizza or other food delivery guy deserves a good tip.

    Reaching for a bottle, or something else that requires less than 10 seconds time, not so much.
     
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    Definitely more than that. Especially with minimum wage being at 11 if you are a non tipped employee.
    I run a restaurant here in NyC. The restaurant industry is a rediculous industry for those who have never worked or had to run one. If people saw that mandatory price increase because it had to go to the increase of labor wages to no longer include tip trust me that restaurant will lose alot of customers. For larger parties alot of places already do include an added gratuity.
    The prices on the menu are not there to rip anyone off. Restaurants try to maintain the lowest prices possible to remain attractive and competitive in the market. The restaurant's margins are usually so low that it may shock alot of people. That's why most people in the industry will tell you to never get into it. In fact 50% of new restaurants in NYC don't even make it past the first year.
    Don't complain about tipping someone after signing a contract worth millions or if you are already worth millions. 0.50 cent tip for a hundred dollar something bottle... that's just disrespectful.
     
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    Yeah, the absolute worst wage at Best Buy is 7.25, most waiters make 2.13

    If you question if a waiter deserves a tip, you're probably too broke to go out for drinks.
     
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    That's fine and all.

    But I highly doubt Best Buy workers make much more than maybe a dollar or two over minimum wage.
     
  18. MorningZippo

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    The fact that you don't see the primary benefit in tipping is telling of how you tip.
     
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    I didn't say I don't tip. I just don't like the system. And no, staying home won't change the system either. Don't be naive.

    If the system is ever going to change (which I highly doubt), it has to be from the top down, not from the customers. Customers will never be organized enough to make a difference even if the majority agrees. Just like we fans will never be able to change the NBA rules unless people who have the power to do something about it.
     
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    If you order a $100 bottle at what-a-burger, nobody would expect you to tip.

    Unfortunately, the waiter serving you that bottle is WELL above the minimum pay grade. If you can't afford it, stay home.
     

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