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Andre Johnson wants Kubiak to stay

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by GlenRice, Dec 10, 2009.

  1. K mf G

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    i'll give you that, yes he does a great job of blocking, more to my point is i'm sick of looking for excuses to why the texans dont make the playoffs or win games they are capable of winning
     
  2. Bandwagoner

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    Actually 9-7 is called a winning record and that is after you took away a team we still have to play twice which makes zero sense. Much like your posts and understanding of what a TE does.
     
  3. Major

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    We seem to lose 1 or 2 OL every year to the IR. And the starting RB was basically benched anyway. I'd rather lose Owen Daniels than Schaub/Johnson/pre-injury Dunta Robinson.
     
  4. Bandwagoner

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    Not last year.
     
  5. ima_drummer2k

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    A winning record does not equal "great". Reason I left out the Colts is because it's not really debatable as to whether they are great or not, since they're 13-0...

    Bottom line is that the Texans are 1-3 against the titans and Jags and the titans and Jags are only slightly better than average (9-7) outside the division.
     
  6. msn

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    No kidding. In *no* way is this year the "worst ever" for injuries.

    And, this just in: teams lose linemen all the time.

    There is one reason and ONLY ONE REASON the Texans could not overcome the injuries, the bad horsecollar, and the "bad luck":

    They. Weren't. Good enough.

    Talented enough? Sure. But evidently, it takes more than talent.
     
  7. JayZ750

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    I don't totally get the fixation with the playoffs or bust attitude amongst fans, etc. in sports.

    I mean, I get it a little bit. This organization has never had a winning record or made the playoffs, so accomplishing both would be a solid step in the right direction.

    So let's say Kubiak comes back next year and they sneak in as a wild card. Great. Then what? Does anyone really have any confidence that they'd win that playoff game (obviously, who knows what will happen, but today, assuming they make the playoffs this year - right! - or next, do you really think we'd be properly coached to succeed in that game)? Does anyone really think that Gary Kubiak is going to lead us to a Super Bowl win?

    I'm not saying fire Gary because he can't get us a ring. If I was really confident that he'd at least get us to the playoffs and continue to have the team on the right path and improving in the playoffs and getting close to Super Bowl's, I'd be in favor of keeping him. But I'm not.

    I feel pretty good that if he stays on board, at some point, if the team keeps accumulating talent, the Texans might be able to perform their way into the playoffs. But Gary's not going to win any games for them as a coaching genius, or amazing motivator, or playcaller, or whatever. He just isn't.

    He's an average coach on an average team with average talent, all things considered.

    I've made this comment before, but turning Kubiak into the next Jeff Fisher should NOT be something to aspire for. Even if you think Fisher is a great coach. Because for whatever reason, Jeff has slid into that Jerry Sloan of the NFL role. Where everybody constantly waxes poetic about how great a coach he is, how could he not have won a coach of the year award, etc., etc., etc....all while forgetting that despite having multiple hall of fame players across multiple teams, the Jazz finish the year the same every year - with a loss.
     
  8. msn

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    I'm with you entirely on this.
     
  9. msn

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    But we're talking about this year, Casey.
     
  10. Obito

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    Man Dre is a class act. Love how he handles himself. Just goes out there and does his job; very well to say the least.

    How bout' you guys ship him over here to SD? :grin:
     
  11. Bandwagoner

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    I agree with your post except the part i bold. Which year WAS the worst? 4 starters are gone on offense including OD and the starting RB.

    Our weakest position by depth, defensive back, saw the loss of Jacques Reeves, Eugene Wilson, and DR went "pay me" on his shoes.

    This is the year for injuries. By your statement it seems it is not even in the top half. So name the 4 worse seasons from injuries?
    Did you see the part I quoted? He brought up previous years, so uhh, wat are u talking about?
     
  12. K mf G

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    the point of making the playoffs
    making the playoffs means your team is sucessful
    two years ago the texans were on their way to a 9-7 season, they played a terrible game against the browns that left them finishing 8-8, last year texans open with 4 straight losses, and then lose to the raiders in the second to last game, i'm sick of the coulda, shoulda, woulda crap, cardinals make it to the superbowl with 9-7 record, giants win the superbowl as a wild card team against an undefeated team, you have to get to the playoffs to have a chance at greatness, last year patriots didnt make the playoffs at 11-5, it's not about a winning record it's all about having a chance to win the superbowl and you dont have that chance if you're not in the playoffs
     
  13. msn

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    Then what are we disagreeing about? :D I don't think the Texans or their fans (myself included!) can hide behind injuries as an excuse. They will most likely end up 8-8 or 7-9, and that's about how good the sum total of their parts (coaching staff included) have been this year.

    We lost a starting o-lineman last year *and* AJ *and* Schaub. Not to mention the injuries in the secondary. There was the year we lost Charles Spencer. That sucked.

    ...and only one those guys will have missed more than a handful of games.

    No, it's just another year.

    It's not about "top half/bottom half". It's simple, Casey: injuries happen. Good teams overcome them, bad teams don't. The Patriots lost Tom Freaking Brady and still went 11-5.

    looks like I missed some context. my bad.
     
  14. JayZ750

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    clearly, but my question is, with Gary Kubiak as a head coach, even if the etam did make the playoffs, what would your expectations be from them? Mine would be extremely low, almost primarily because of coaching - not because Gary is a bad coach, but because he's an average one, and I'd expect him to be outcoached. I do NOT anticipate the Texans pulling off a Cardinals or Giants run anytime soon.

    And even with the Cardinals run, as Astros fans in town can attest to, people forget about those deep playoff runs where you don't win quite quickly.
     
  15. Bandwagoner

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    Duane Brown, Chester Pitts, Chris Myers, Mike Brisiel, and Eric Winston started all 16 games and took every snap. Who are you talking about?

    AJ played 16 games and led the NFL in receptions and yards.

    What are you talking about man?

    No the point is you said

    meaning this is not even close to the worst year. So name a few years that were worse.
     
  16. PointForward

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    fellas for the love of god stop with this "talent is there" crap. We're playing without corners, you know what that means? NO CORNERBACKS. We had a ****** and a mental patient manning the RB. All we had going for us was the passing game. I'm surprised we are where we are now. If anything, this team is overachieving considering how many close games we lost.

    get us a secondary, good us a running back who can actually *run*, get us a kicker who doesn't choke, and watch us go.
     
  17. msn

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    it was two years ago.

    no, meaning "in no way was it the worst". If you want to twist that somehow into a number of years then do so alone.

    Two years ago, we lost *more* on offense. I don't remember when, but we've certainly been thinner on defense.

    And pro bowl or not, losing OD is nothing like losing AJ. Nothing at all.
     
  18. ima_drummer2k

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    And to tell you the truth, I don't think losing our 2 starting guards has been that big of a deal. It's not like there's a huge dropoff in talent between the starters and the backups on the interior O-line. You can pretty much just flip a coin.

    And hell, our running game has actually improved as the season has progressed, so obviously it hasn't hurt us that bad.
     
  19. Bandwagoner

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    Ok so name any year where our injuries were worse.

    " in *no* way " seems to imply it was not even close to the worse. name a year that was worse to back that up?
     
  20. Bandwagoner

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    That is because the guys are getting better as a unit. Something that goes away when 2 new guys go in. The fact they are getting better shows how bad losing 2 sucks.
     

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