Calvin Johnson was light-years better than Andre Johnson, and every other WR of his day (minus 2007 Randy Moss). I don't think Andre Johnson's path to Canton should go through Calvin Johnson. (You could argue Earl Campbell was also rewarded for three superhuman years. Some players... their careers aren't specifically defined by numbers - you just knew you were witnessing unstoppable dominance. Calvin Johnson was unstoppable dominance.) The obstacles for Johnson getting in remain the same: he was a quiet, somewhat anonymous WR on a team that was also mostly quiet and anonymous; his numbers don't blow away his peers; and - I think his biggest obstacle: he has an incredibly low number of TDs, which you can't just wave away as QB issues because DeAndre Hopkins scored a lot of Texans TDs - and until Watson, never played with a QB as good as Matt Schaub, which you can take however you want. Hopkins scored 11 TDs with Hoyer & Mallet as his QBs (and BOB as his coach). Andre literally never had double-digit TDs in a season - and he was in the Shannahan offense. Others, like Larry Fitzgerald, played with bad QBs and compiled plenty of TDs. Heck, going back to Calvin: he scored 12 TDs with Dan Orlovsky the year Detroit went winless. Among finalists this year - assuming a class of 3-5/6 - I think Antonio Gates will walk in; Julius Peppers has a very strong case, as does Patrick Willis, and I don't think Johnson jumps Reggie Wayne or Torry Holt. (His numbers may be better than Holt's - I haven't looked too close - but Holt was a key component of the Greatest Show on Turf, and that'll absolutely be a factor.) And if he doesn't get in this year... next several years are going to be tough. In '25, you'll have whatever holdovers joined by Luke Kuechly (in), Adam Vinatieri (in) Earl Thomas (strong case) + Marshawn Lynch & Eli Manning, who are both going to have very loud, contentious candidacies that will suck a lot of oxygen out of the room. And then Brees (in), Rivers (in), Fitzgerald (in) and Gore (likely in) are up in '26 + Julian Edelman (he doesn't, by numbers, have a strong case - but never underestimate a) rings; b) old, white sportswriters falling in love with grit).
How long before Pancakes McClain makes a suggestion to the committee that Andre should go in as a member of his favorite team the Titans...the Oilers and Andre spent about the same amount of time in Tennessee and McClain seems to have no issue with those yokels claiming the name and colors... I'm sure his ole lady Amy Adams would be all for it...
Apologies. I got my undersized, gritty white guys confused. Wes Welker is the tiny Patriot receiver that I thought might have a solid HoF case. But he’s been mostly ignored in his 2 years on the ballot. Edelman has no shot.
Andre still in my top 3 all time maybe I'm bias but dude was great 1. Randy Moss 2. Calvin Johnson 3. Andre Johnson
Yeah you're definitely being bias. I understand it though. I love Dre....but 3? Jerry Rice Larry Fitzgerald Terrell Owens Marvin Harrison Antonio Brown
Yes. Antonio Brown has insane stats from ‘12-‘18. Larry and Marvin are clearly ahead of Andre. Ask anyone outside of Texas. Only Texans fans will say otherwise.
Andre has better numbers than Antonio. Better numbers than Harrison outside of TDs. Better per game numbers than Larry. And in context, all of them had far better QB situations than Andre. AJ was the best receiver in the NFL for 3-5 yrs, without an elite QB. You’re selling Andre very short in comparison. Extremely.
When Andre was here, I thought the same. A deeper dive and I don’t have him over any of the guys I mentioned. I love Andre. First NFL jersey I ever had but I’m taking the houston bias out here. No one outside of Texas would agree Andre was better than any of those guys.
Numbers are numbers. Antonio isn’t in the conversation. Andre is arguably better than the others outside of TDs. And that’s complete hyperbole on no one outside of Texas.
Someone saying AB > Andre on a Texans forum is nuclear level stupidity. Andre would be up there with TO and Randy if he had prime Big Ben and Tom Brady as his QBs
That’s fine lol I’m not mad at your opinion You can tag me. I’m ok with feedback directed at me. You’re really just proving my point of being bias by stating this is a Texans forum.
It’s more so because I would expect you to have actually seen AJ on the field, he did everything as good as AB. Route running, hands, RAC and was bigger, faster, stronger.
