If the Sixers are looking to trade Iggy so that they can create room for Evan Turner... why would they want Kevin Martin in return?
Iguadala would fit in sooo nicely with this team. It seems like he could use a change of team too. I don't know how the numbers would work but maybe Battier / Lowry + Patterson?
They don't want Martin. However, Brand is looking good. But if Philly could lose both Brand and Iggy, they would undoubtedly throw in their lottery pick, if we sent them back expirings, Brooks, and other young talent such as Budinger, etc. In one fell swoop, clean up their cap. And we wind up with a proven playoff big that can score efficiently and defend the paint, an outstanding wing that can defend, run, dish, and score a bit, and a lottery pick to go along with the Knicks pick to unload to Minny for Rubio next season.
I'm not sure Philadelphia would include their lottery pick. Yes, removing Iguodala and Brand off your payroll is big. But without them, you are a terrible, terrible team. Terrible to the point to where the only thing you have to look forward to is the idea of drafting another stud to play with Jrue and Turner in the future. Trading that lottery pick just to rid yourselves of two of your better players doesn't seem like the smartest idea. If it was my team, I would laugh off that suggestion.
No. If they get back Brooks, Budinger, and a lower first rounder, they've got Turner, Holiday, and a young Hawes in the middle. They can then use Bud/Theo at the 3 and become players in free agency. After all, one season........this season is already wasted. Might as well take their young talent now, clear off the cap, then play out next season under the new collective bargaining agreement and be ready to get their lottery pick in 2012 along with signing free agents that make sense around Turner, Holiday, etc.
Would you rather have Brooks, Budinger and the 28th pick or John Wall/Derek Favors/etc? I'd rather take the lottery pick. They can easily move Iggy for young talent + picks to help their financial concerns if it comes to it.
You want me to meet you outside and name them to your face? Easy there, guy. My whole point was putting myself into the shoes of a 76ers fan. That would require me not being brainwashed by Morey into thinking Aaron Brooks and Chase Budinger is enough to fetch a star player. The Nets have a pretty big young piece should they decide to turn their attention to Andre. So do the Kings, Clippers, Grizzlies, Wizards, Warriors and a bunch of other teams who have been stuck collecting lottery picks for the last few years.
If the Knicks' pick continues to sky rocket in value, that pick will be more valuable then any pick those teams can give up. Now throw in say a Jordan Hill, assuming he continues to play and shows potential, along with Aaron Brooks and you have a VERY attractive package for a guy that has a LONG TERM and EXPENSIVE deal.
Trading Iguodala to the Rockets for anyone not named Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, and Yao Ming would be like Pau Gasol 2.0. Maybe not that much of an upgrade but pretty close. The only way I see Philly making a deal like this is for all star level young talent, draft picks and salary cap relief at the trade deadline... and the season has to be in full tank mode for them to pull the trigor. Aaron Brooks could be the centerpiece to the trade but he would have to be given in a 3 team trade given that Philly will no way stunt the growth of Jrue Holiday. Regardless, I think Iguodala and Danny Grainger are most likely the two main targets that Morey is shooting for at the trade deadline that could be available at the right price and I am crossing my fingers he can play his cards right to get one of those two guys to this team to make a playoff run.
Well the disagreement started based on the premise that Philadelphia would trade Iggy + Brand + their lottery pick. I just don't see that ever happening, as Philly minus Iggy & Brand is a high lottery pick. If you're talking about just dealing for Iggy, the situations a bit different but there are still other options out there. Concerning your offer, Brooks is our most attractive piece and yet he wouldn't be that attractive for them. They already have their PG of the future in Jrue Holiday, so the centerpiece of that deal would be a 5'10 backup PG. Not to mention, that backup PG is a FA after this year and due for a BIG raise.. which is what they were hoping to avoid (financials) by dealing Iggy. Most likely, you would need to concoct a three way deal where you send Brooks somewhere else and get a more appealing player for Philadelphia. I don't think it's set in stone that the Knicks pick will be more valuable than the Wizards, Nets, or Kings would be -- that's more of a discussion for the February trade deadline when you have a better idea of how bad these bad teams are.
That would be crazy, but for a high lottery pick in a very weak draft only three players stand out imo. Kanter/Barns and Knight. I can't see that happening, but i'm sure they discussed it Brand/Iggy/Pick is a nice package and they'd want a lot not that Brand is back and playing good again. And he has a 'no trade clause' in his contract so he can veto any trade. They'd take Yao in this scenario just to remove Brand/Iggy.
I can see Yao being moved in some type of Brand/Iggy/Pick deal. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=27oo9bw
No, not Yao. Battier, Jeffries, Hayes, Hill, Brooks, Budinger, and Jermaine is enough salary to swing both Iggy and Brand. And yes, Les would be committed to a lot of luxury tax. Hence the lottery pick has to come our way. Philly is getting out from under all that salary and they are getting young talent on cheap contracts for another year. Brooks joins Holiday and Turner and forms a young, cheap perimeter, with Theodore and Louis still available for backup minutes to those guys, while Hill joines Hawes on the front line and competes with Brackins and Speights for playing time. That's a solid, real young rotation for the Sixers that gives them the ability to go after a free agent outright or to trade a couple of their young guys for another star type player to fit alongside Turner. We....wind up with a big man rotation of Yao (if he improves), Scola, Brand, as our big 3 bigs. If Yao doesn't get better, we are plugging in Miller at the 5. Brand provides a nice contract of defensive contest at the rim to offset Miller and Scola's interior mushiness. In addition, we get to plug in Iggy alongside Lowry and Martin on the perimeter. We've still got Lee backing up the 2/3 and Ish backing up Lowry. And we have a lottery pick to add to the Knicks pick for another possible trade after this season to pick up a premier point guard, (Rubio, or Nash). We also still have the $6 million TPE if we really want to go over the top and add one more piece to this mix this season.
Bwahahahaha. Is that all you got, the Nets? Seriously, do you really think the Nets are going to flip Favors for Iggy? Get real dude. Any other teams?
I wonder if DM has specific targets. I get the idea that he goes after every trade, and pulls the trigger as long as we're getting back 20% more, say, than we're sending.
I can see Morey going after Brand/Iggy/Pick. I mean lets be real after this season they'll resign Yao for cheap. I can also see Yao returning to the Rockets if he was to get a buyout from Philly. I think that would be the staples to this trade. Lets say they do indeed move Yao (highly unlikely, but you never are certain) i think he'd have to agree to a buyout if he really wants to return. I don't think Philly would have any use for him, because they are rebuilding kinda like we are with this move by getting that high lottery pick. They could resign Yao for cheap just for this season. Morey would pay about 10 million for a top 5 pick that's the price i think. If a 2nd rounder cost 3 million (Taylor), what would this say for a top 5 pick? Your saving money. On top of this getting under the cap must be a priority to resign Yao. When if Houston did this as they gear up and reload for the future, they would be in good shape with or w/o Yao. If yao is traded he would get a buyout imo. And if Les tried to buyout Jeffries, you'd think Yao could get baught out the same way.
Reading comprehension must not be off the charts for you, but I listed several teams with young players who would be better than Brooks. Please explain why the 76ers would want a backup PG as their centerpiece of an Iggy trade? Feel free to believe that Brooks/Budinger has enough trade value to land you any star; I just hope you aren't wondering in a few years why nobody has traded us their star for them yet.
Golden State-nothing to offer but expirings. Not even a pick. Philly don't want Monta's deal. Curry isn't going anywhere. Philly don't want to touch Biedrins deal either. Golden State has nothing. Sacramento - Would they offer up Cousins for Iggy? I doubt it. Not to mention there is no way Iggy fits with Tyreke. They can give Philly back Dally's expiring deal. They have nothing. Clippers - Foye, Gomes, Davis, Kamen.....they have nothing. Are they going to lose a potential lottery pick plus expiring deals to pick up Iggy? No way do they give up a lottery pick to add Iggy. Wizards - I guess they could throw Thornton, Yi, and Nick Young at Philly for Iggy. Don't know if they would even do that. But if they did, do you think Philly would prefer that over our young talent and big time cap relief by taking on Brand? None of those teams are players for Iggy. They are all non-playoff teams except possibly Golden State, that do not want to add salary.
