18M vs 7M not worse enough for you? The fact that they have the same performance when Ariza is making just over 30% of his salary is jist pathetic.
So you're saying the Rox FO just gave him 18-20M a year out of the goodness of their hearts? Anderson was recruited as a free agent obviously Morey asked him what he wanted and that's the money Anderson asked for Are you old enough to get work? Did you not negotiate for your salary? Or would you be ok if the company gave you min wage for the next 10 years? Just look at Mavs and Noels not agreeing on a deal. Obviously Noel didn't sign because the Mavs didnt give him what he was asking for. Oth Houston and Anderson agreed on a deal. You think Houston gave Anderson what he wanted or not? The funny thing is your quote is probably how it went down wtf. Why is it a joke for the Rox to ask Anderson what he wanted and for Anderson to state it? If the Rox was giving 20M deals to free agents without them asking for it how come Gordon signed for just 15M? P.S. Anderson is not trying his best to live up to his deal. He isn't recording oodles of rebs, blocks, steals, charges or even defense. If you are really trying you would see tangible results. Dude is getting outrebounded by James Harden wtf.
You obviously do not understand the point of the joke. Let me spell it out for you. If Anderson's contract was as simple as he "asked for it" then Morey is the stupidest GM ever. Are you old enough to get work? Did you not negotiate for your salary? Did you just get whatever you asked for? Who decided the salary? You or the company? At least you have the sense to say that salaries are negotiated. The final decision on the contract is not up to Anderson. It's the team's decision. Why do you think Morey was willing to sign him for that kind of money? Because he asked for it? No, because Morey thought that was the price he needed to pay in order to get him, and he thought it was worth it. What's wrong with a player or anybody trying to get the highest pay he can get? When you negotiate for your salary, do you settled for what you think you can live up to or do you take the highest salary the company is willing to pay you? Honestly. But then, using ordinary job salary negotiation is really not a fair analogy. In a system of guaranteed contracts, salary is decided on the projected value of the player's FUTURE performance, which is based on his abilities as shown in PAST performance. More importantly it is also based on the market demands and the salary cap. Once the contract is signed, it will have nothing to do with the player's performance anymore. This is especially true for veteran players like Anderson. He was not signed for his potential like a rookie would be. He was already in his prime when he signed. The team knew exactly what he could and could not do. It is really ludicrous to think that a veteran player is supposed to play on the level according to the simple amount of money he makes. NBA salaries don't work like that. As long as he is playing at the level he was playing at the time he signed his contractd, he is living up to his contract. By your logic, none of today's players is living up to their contracts because even the role players are making many times more than great players in the past, even after the general inflation rates were factored in. Why are they making so much more? Not because they are better players, but because the amount of money available now is completely different. The only cases of not living up to the contract is when the player plays significantly below the level of his abilities after he signed the contract. This is not the case with Anderson.
There are so many things wrong with your post I don't know where to start. Ryan Anderson has a funny of making otherwise great posters on this board go crazy. I wish you guys would defend Harden to this extent. Sure he has his flaws, but he is living up to his contract 100x more than Ryan freaking Anderson aka the "Anchor that closed the Window on Houston's Championship Hopes with his ridiculous 12 pts on 20M salary". A negotiation is an agreement done by at least two different parties, in this case Anderson and the Houston Rockets. So your bolded statement is wrong, the team is not responsible for Anderson's contract both of them are. It required mutual consent between the two parties therefore both of them are at fault for it. I never said all the blame goes to Anderson, you and the rest of your Anderson fanclub bros are the ones insisting he has no fault in his own ******* contract. How does that even make any sense? At the end of the day it's his money and his performance that is subpar, the buck stops with him so to speak. You are right, Morey thought he would be worth his deal, but it's pretty obvious Morey realized his mistake because he tried to dump Anderson as soon as it was legally possible to do (the trade deadline). I'm just not harping on Morey because hey, the dude has a track record of excellence, even the best make mistakes like Presti letting Harden go, Pops letting Scola go etc. OTH, the only track record as a Rocket Anderson has is shooting ridiculous splits on home and away and shooting 28.3% from the 3 in the playoffs. Honestly, I would only sign to a value which I can only live up to, I'm already pretty damn good so without inflating up my value I am already worth a lot. I also don't think there is nothing wrong with taking the highest offer you can get, but if you take the money then you should be open to criticism. It's the same at work, I see a lot of colleagues get pirated by other companies into jobs they were not ready for, but when their new boss gave them low ratings or their colleagues criticized them for being not ready for the role I don't think any of them said "Well it's not my fault, the hiring manager is the one to blame I have nothing to do with my salary and role". As an NBA player Anderson should be open to being subjected to criticism from fans, it's part and parcel of being an NBA player and making millions playing what is essentially a children's game for a living. Why do you think they disclose NBA salaries? Part of it is so people will know how much they are making and judge them for it. It's fair for Anderson to get a contract way more than he is worth but it is also fair he gets criticized for it. With great money comes great responsibility just ask Uncle Ben. And Anderson has 1/5 of the entire salary devoted to him so you're telling he can cash all the checks he wants but we can't even criticize him for it? WTF Yes the salary is based on the projected value of the player's FUTURE performance which is based on the player's past performance, but why is it that once the contract is signed it has nothing to do with the player's performance? Ever hear of employee evaluation? If your salary has nothing to do with your performance how come employees get evaluated based on their role? Hmm? In this case Anderson is being evaluated on his role but he is also being evaluated on his salary. You are right, Anderson is not a rookie but it's disingenuous to say he didn't have potential. He is coming from a system that was disadvantageous to his game to a system that is beneficial to his game, the NOP had no other spacers, they ran a half court set with a slow pace and on this team it is filled with shooters and one of the best playmakers in the league. It's not like Anderson and Morey didn't expect a boost in his performance, do you want me to pull up the Ryan Anderson press conference and hear the comments they made? It is pretty clear Morey and Anderson both expected he will do better in Houston than he did in NOP "Haven't had a lot of open looks over the years so for me I'm excited about that tremendously" -Ryan Anderson, Oct 7, 2016 So he didn't say "I'm excited to perform exactly the same as in NOP" he and Morey were expecting more, obviously. Why would he be excited at all the open looks he's gonna get if he expected to score at the same rate? But more on that later... My logic is compare Anderson to his peers, how simple is that? If all stretch forwards cost 20M a year and give you only 12 pts then you can't really blame Anderson now, can you? But that's not the case Anderson is the highest paid non-star stretch 4 in the league by a mile. Why compare him to Michael Jordan in the 1980s making 7M a year when Luc Mbah Amoute is making vet min in 2017? PJ Tucker 7M? Channing Frye 7M? Patrick Patterson 4M? Brandon Wright? Marreese Speights? Josh Cohen? etc etc etc. I don't have anything against Anderson personally and I don't think he is the devil. However he is extremely overpaid and I criticize him for his wildly inconsistent performance, how simple is that? Ryan Anderson in 2015: 17 pts 6 rebs 1.1 assist 0.6 steal 0.4 Block Ryan Anderson in 2016: 13.6 pts 4.6 rebs 0.9 assist 0.4 steal Keep in mind Anderson went from a system that made it harder for him to score to a system that was supposed to make it way easier for him to score. So if he played at the same level as he did in 2015 Anderson should've put up more stats, not less. TBH I would be ****ing happy with Anderson if he scored 17 pts a night and had 6 rebs a game. I would say "you know what, that's money well spent!". He couldn't even do that SMH.
@roslolian Everything you said unrelated to his performance is irrelevant. I've already pointed out NBA salary is not the same as that of an ordinary job. In the real world, if you do not perform to your contract, you will be fired. In the NBA they can't do that. (Well, they can. It's called being waived.) That's why I say once the contract is signed, how much you make is no longer related to your performance. And even in the real world, you admit that there is nothing wrong in negotiating for the highest pay. But you still don't get the fact that the final decision is made by the company, not the employee. If someone is hired for much more than he is worth, it's the company's mistake, not that person's. The only thing the employee is responsible for in the negotiation is to be honest in his presentation of his abilities. In the NBA, that is not a problem. Your abilities are open to the most stringent scrutiny, especially by an analytics GM like Morey. There is nothing you can hide. So yeah, the offer is totally on the team, not on the player. Anyway, it is clear that I can't convince you about how wrong it is to blame an NBA contract on the player. No point in arguing any more. I never said his performance was not subject to criticism. And I never said the contract was not a mistake. What I said is criticizing a player's performance based on his contract is misguided. Anderson's performance is comparable to his past. If you look at all his numbers, the only thing that has dropped (with statistical significance) is points scored. I'll come back to that. The only other disappointing category is rebounding. But it is not that he is known to be a great rebounder. His rebounding numbers fluctuate quite a bit from season to season. So one season with the Rockets is kind of a small sample. His shooting percentage is exactly what he has been shooting most of his career. His eFG% and TS% are up, indicating that he indeed has benefited from the system in terms of efficiency. He is scoring less because he is taking few shots. It's that simple. Why is he shooting less when he has a better play making teammate? My guess is that it's a different system and he is in a different role. In NOLA, he was one of the main scorers who was depended on scoring. Here, we have more weapons. His 3p attempts are slightly up and his 2p attempts are way down from his New Orleans days. Surprise? Hardly. Having said all that, I wholeheartedly agree that he could be more productive. So he is disappointing but not as bad as you make it. If the team is going to keep him, I hope he and the coaching staff can find a way to get him more involved in the offense.
I don't think we are gonna see I eye to on this issue, to me the contract is the basis I evaluate players. You can't say whether a player is good or bad unless you have some standard metric for judging all of them, and the value they bring vs their salary is the simplest and best way to do that. If a 1 dimensional shooter gives you 12 pts but takes up 1/5 of the salary cap how is that supposed to be a good job? If you had 5 guys like him you would have no cap but only score 60 pts. A guy scores 12 pts but makes 3M and another scores 12 pts but makes 20M you think they did the same good job? That's why you criticize players by their contracts because that is your basis for comparison. You don't compare Harden to freaking Lou Williams and say Harden is blowing him out of the water, now do you? That's because Harden is a max player and he is compared to other max players like Lebron, Irving, CP3 etc. He is also being depended to be a main scorer here, after Harden and Gordon he was supposed to be the 3rd main scorer, how much main do you have to be? In fact nobody knew Gordon was even gonna be this good, he was signed to be a sixth man and in the starting lineup after James Harden Anderson was already supposed to be the 2nd scorer. It's certainly not Ariza who is a 3nD, Beverly who is a 3nD and Capela who just gets fed by Harden wtf. It's comparable but like I said Anderson is now playing in a system that is supposed to augment his abilities. His performance dipping is actually a double whammy because his performance slipped so badly even the increase in the new system couldn't make up for it. 4 pts is not a small matter wtf, it's a big difference in your production. Yes his TS% has increased but that's to be expected playing with James Freaking Harden, it's a given not something he should be proud about. Everybody knows he is taking fewer shots, that is what is maddening about him and that's why he is overpaid. If he shot like 17 shots a night with his percentage then he would be a steal at his salary. Who cares whether his 3pts went down or his 2 pts went up the point is his attempts lowered by a significant amount and a lot of it is due to his own mental midget mentality. Nobody is preventing him from taking shots in facts MDA encourages it, he was famous for the 7 secs or less philosophy so if there's a coach who would love it if Anderson chucked the ball, it's MDA. Actually Anderson is way worse than I make it out to be. That's why Morey tried to dump his ass ASAP and was even willing to include Bev as a sweetener. Anderson gives you what other 7M and below players give you, that's a huge hole to fill for any team wanting to be a champ. Other champ teams don't have role players making absurd amounts of money, in fact they have lots of underpaid players like KD or Dwade and Rose who are making way less than market value. People always got on Harden for failing against the Spurs but it was 1 superstar vs 3. We couldn't afford another superstar because Anderson was making too much. Even now the Rox face a lot of uncertainty because unless Cp3 takes a discount we won't be able to afford his new max deal, again because Anderson. We might even lose Capela to FA, again because Anderson. 20M is a lot.
so much bickering about something we can't really do now. Anderson's contract was in a year where everyone got paid. Everyone was assuming salary cap would sky rocket the next following years. His contact was suppose to actually be pretty valuable if the projected salary cap was correct but the cap actually went down and everyone who gave contacts on that year got screwed. hey, what can you do about it now? There's no way Morey would have given him that contract under this current cap. Lose some, win some. Let's just hope Anderson can get more solid at home and continue his play on the road.
easier to score or easier to get shots ? he got 4 less field goal attempts last season than the season before but he took more threes in the Rockets system. It is a lot different set up than the Pelicans game style he played in people always go off the stat numbers and don't look at the system they are in at times
I noticed Dwight taking Capela to the woodshed, but not being able to back Ryno down. Has he been taking lessons from the Chuckwagon?
Ryan's FG percentage, 3point FG percentage and rebounds per game is presently better than Carmelo's. Just sayin.
Just to be clear: the cap didn't go down, just the projection. Cap still rose $5m, but at one point it was projected to rise $13m.
He’s been playing well. I think the next few games are at home. Hopefully the good Anderson continues to shows up.
