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And ya'll were saying we don't need T-Mac...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Omer, Jan 15, 2008.

  1. BlackSombrero

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    What do you like about the Rockets? Please be as optimistic as possible.
     
  2. northeastfan

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    Yao's committment to the game.
    TMac's crazy talent.
    Scola, Hayes, Battier hustle.
    AB's speed and ablity to finish.
    Rafer's handle.
    Head's three point shot.
    Landry's athleticism.
    Novak's shooting.
    Bonzi's post moves.
    Mutumbo's finger wag.
     
  3. GRB

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    Most of them is adelman's fault. :mad:
     
  4. BlackSombrero

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    Me too! So how where do you feel we'll end up this season?
     
  5. northeastfan

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    9th or 10th place in the West and out of the playoffs. We might catch Denver but that's about it.
     
  6. tharock220

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    It's obvious he's still needed. McGrady is able to score from anywhere on the floor be it posting up, shooting, or driving, and he's the best at getting his shot off. Plus his ability as a facilitator is invaluable. Rafer Alston might be a better passer, but defenders don't have to respect his offensive game as much as they do McGrady's.

    If T-Mac were playing tonight the Rockets likely would have won.
     
  7. oneonepyopyo

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    Yeah, you just forgot to mention we lost to 76ers with in T-mac as well. Seem this sucky team is not that 'suck' after all whether with or w/o T-mac

    When you are supporting your arguement, you'd better do some research and use the right statements, please.
     
  8. code_red

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    TMac left that game early due to an injury against the 76ers you idiot:

    http://www.nba.com/games/20071210/HOUPHI/recap.html
     
  9. code_red

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    If you look at all the games the Rockets won while TMac was out, we had a bit of luck on our side in that different role players would step up. Sometimes it was Rafer, sometimes Head, sometimes Brooks, and sometimes Scola. The one trend throughout all those wins was that the Rockets had somebody else, other than Yao, play an oustanding game.

    The problem tonight is that two of the players that stepped up in TMac's absence, decided to take 37 FG attempts and sink a pathetic 13 FGs only: Rafer and Head. Not surprisingly, the constant chucking of these two allowed the Sixers to come back tonight. Including the game today, you can see why we need TMac back in the lineup:

    1) When Yao was subbed with his fourth foul, that was the start of the Sixer's comeback. Rafer and Head decided to put the offense in their hands and the Rockets went on a FG drought. I would rather have TMac making 37 FG attempts over Head and Rafer any day.

    2) If Head isn't scoring, he is absolutely useless on the court. He doesn't bring defense, he doesn't bring rebounds, and he dosen't bring passing (ironic that he doesn't pass well, even though he is a PG). Even when TMac isn't scoring, TMac commands double teams on him, which frees up other players. Unfortunately, every team is smart enough to not double Head.

    3) Our offense is so predictable with TMac out. The strategy is pretty much, "try to find Yao" or "get Yao a touch" on the play. The Sixers capitalized on that today by forcing TOs when the Rockets tried to pass to Yao. In fact, the Sixers were looking and waiting for the entry pass to Yao. With TMac in, they would be forced to split equal defensive attention to TMac, making it easier to get the ball to Yao.

    4) It's foolish to think our role players can step up in TMac's absence in the long run. We've been lucky in that a different player has stepped up during all the wins lately, but that won't happen in the longer run. We want consistent output in the longer run and TMac provides that.

    BTW, I am a Yao fan, but those who really believed the Rockets were that good with TMac out are a bit delusional. When you depend on Rafer and Head to take 37 FG attempts out of a possible 80 FG attempts, that is a recipe for disaster in the longer run.
     
  10. northeastfan

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    With or without TMac, this season is pretty nearly a waste. Unless we go on an unheard of winning streak, we'd better start looking forward to 2008-2009.
     
  11. ibm

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    hmm, not so fast.

    20 more games for sure.
     
  12. northeastfan

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    That would put us at 59 games. Say we're 30-29 and have just 23 games left in the season. It would be almost impossible to make the playoffs then. Even if we're 32-27 (60% in those 20 games), we'd probably have to win 17 of the next 23 just to make the playoffs and it is not happening.
     
  13. oneonepyopyo

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    Before you open you pie wh*** calling others idiots, you may read this first. The reason to the loss is not something that T-mac could have changed. Just simple as that. :mad:

    http://www.nba.com/games/20071210/HOUPHI/recap.html
     
  14. oneonepyopyo

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    Quoted for truth. I don't remember seeing anyone saying that we are actually a better team without him. Running the offense more fluently? Sure. A better team? No. Seems like people need to learn what 'trading' means.
     
  16. zzc1818

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    no doubt T-mac is a good player

    But just imagine how many good players will 20 millions brings to you

    Better PG for Rafer, Better SG for Head, Headlthier SG for T-mac and maybe a good chance to draft a talented rookie

    ok i know i am too optimistic :) :)
     
  17. Angkor Wat

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    What really good players did the TWolves and Sixers get for KG and AI? Exactly. T-Mac might not even be considered better than those two, plus he is injury prone. You're dreaming if you think we could get really good players for T-Mac. This is not 2003.
     
  18. Old Man Rock

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    Bingo. The point isn't that we are better without TMac. Everyone knows Tmac is a great player when he wants to be. The point is we are without TMac and he quit on us. He is dragging this injury out and has shown no desire to come back to the team early. Everyone is hurting on the team accept for maybe the rookies and bench fodder. The Doctors have released him to play. He has the opportunity now to work hard and try to come back early. But instead he is talking about being out of shape and not ready to come back. I don't want to hear that from a 20 million dollar man who I am help pay for his salary.

    I know the Rockets aren't interested in trading him right now. And I know that a healthy TMac in the right frame of mind is better than anything on the market we can get for him. But after his last interview where he showed no desire to be back and hasn't shown any desire to even be on the bench with the guys then I say if he doesn't want to be here, if his heart is not into being a Rocket than it's time to get what we can for him.

    This team is struggling right now and they could use an upgrade at the 1 and 2. Make no mistake about it, a team with Rafer, Hayes, Head as starters ain't going nowhere fast. Hinrich and Gordan are upgrades over Rafer and Luther and there are better options out there. This team needs help and if TMac is going to be in primadonna mode then let's look elsewhere. So since we don't have him and he doesn't seem to be in any hurry to come back let's get some help for him. Of course he could always prove me wrong By showing some desire out on the court on Saturday.
     
  19. EssTooKayTD

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    For one, defenses key in on Yao b/c they know we are trying to get him the ball down the stretch. The defense doesn't respect anyone else on the floor, especially last night. McGrady can help offset that a little to where either Yao gets a better look or McGrady gets a better look. I choose those two over anyone playing last night.

    Guys, to suggest our team is better without Tracy or whatever we would get for Tracy is just not true.

    News flash, if you guys hate on Tracy that much, imagine what his perceived value is to another team. Not too high. It's been said so many times in so many different ways around here. Trading Mac is not going to make you better. You are throwing in the towel. I don't see the Rockets doing that.

    McGrady is staying a Rocket, for better or for worse. And this team is plain better with him playing than not.
     
  20. Blake

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    aren't you the same guy that was ripping on Tmac for playing poorly hurt? Now you say he's making up injuries? Laughable

    I guess you have to bitc# about someone now that your whipping boy JVG has gone and we actually look worse
     

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