And T-Mac Still Hasn't Made It Out Of The First Round.

True. Also, his career would have been interesting if his body held up.

That is the most remarkable thing to me about Kobe's career and Lebron so far.

In term of prime, he was better than people like Paul Pierce and Ray Allen IMO even though those two are pretty much HoF locks

 

That doesn't solve our problems,this thread imo is irrelevant because of the current state of the Houston Rockets.

 

You know you have no ability to make any arguments when you start making imaginary comments by a player.


Also dropping the he makes more money than you proves that you can't win a basketball argument. Kobe makes as much as him and he doesn't go on vacation as early as Tracy.


Too easy dude.

 

You've been making the same ****ty posts for years when arguing, I see no point in trying to argue on a higher level with you as you don't acknowledge logical points and continue to spill the same garbage day to day without actually replying to people that make good points.

Therefore I just wanted to show how dumb it looks when an adult with a normal life tries to mock a multi-millionaire with low level shots.

You then mentioning Kobe again when I stated how sad it is just proves my point you derp...

 

The argument is ridiculous. We aren't comparing T-Mac to a guy working at Walmart. We are comparing him to his peers. He could have been a top twenty player of all time. Now the only top twenty list he will be on is the list of top twenty most disappointing NBA careers. The fans who carry his jock are hilarious.

 

I'm not carrying his jock, just saying it's ridiculous when some guys laugh about a guy with his accomplishments. You can say he made bad decisions and didn't fulfill his potential, but calling him "loser" "stacy", other childish names and constantly ridiculing him and posting untasteful things is just pathetic.
Guys like tinman are dedicating their online existence to making fun of a NBA player, it's stupid.

 

oh yes you are carrying his jock.

This is a basketball forum and we compare players to other players. You and your bretheren so happen to get extremely defensive when others tell of facts.

For example, this thread is showing the continued playoff failures of one player that happens to be your favorite player.

You get defensive. However you go off to the ridiculous by making up dialogue because you don't have any basketball defense for his failures.

We've seen this before, it's called being dellusional.

I think one of the other posters before the playoffs started, proclaimed that he would no doubt win a playoff series this year. this was not based on basketball knowledge, but based on dellusion.

 

I mentioned Kobe because at one point Tracy and Kobe were making similar paychecks . Here's an example:
During the 08-09 season, Kobe Bryant led his team to the NBA Finals and played in the playoffs and entire 82 games in the regular season.
That year Tracy McGrady only played in 35 regular season games and 0 playoff games.

Who got the better return on investment? I believe the Lakers did. Easily.



Tracy McGrady

2008-09

Houston Rockets

NBA

$20,370,437


http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2009.html
Kobe Bryant

2008-09

Los Angeles Lakers

NBA

$21,262,500

 

So injuries have nothing to do with it? Nice tinman

 

Equally ridiculous is the argument that a guy should be personally criticized ad nauseum for a lack of team accomplishment.

 

Some posters (like tinman on a bad day) might have you believe that T-Mac wasn't actually injured. Instead, he willfully sat out of every game and derailed his own career.

The fact that The Lakers got a better ROI on a one year comparison of TMac to Kobe Bryant is hilariously irrelevant to anything.

 

Kobe always gets hurt or the flu or a stomach bug. I don't know he plays 82 games. You're right. Its pretty amazing display of skill and determination .

 

The roi for Kobe for the Lakers and their fans is significantly higher than Tracy for the rockets or any team he's played on.

 

The biggest loser I have seen play in the NBA.

It just gets worse and worse for the Tracy apologists each year.

But I applaud them for their tenacity.

 

This is the Garm. This should not even be here.

His first round or second round exits with the Rockets have something to do with the team. The team lost and the team won once.

His only fans are just about the same as those that are mocking him.

He did what he did to earn his living. Every guy including role players wants to win a title. For a role player it is sometimes easier because he can fall back on a contending team.

 

I really doubt Tracy cares about what people on ClutchFans think of him. At the end of the day, he made it in life. There are plenty of TOF's and plenty of tmac trolls, and whether y'all like it or not, he was a superstar and his supporting cast in Houston failed him.

 

I agree.... now he is more of a business man, so one can judge if he will become a successful one or not.

 

Made it in life as in made millions, yeah he did. But so has most of the NBA.

We are talking basketball here and at that his career has been an utter and miserable failure. 0-8 does not leave any room for argument. We are not talking about 0-8 in the NBA Finals, semi-finals, or even the second round. 0-8 at first round, a couple of series in which he was comfortably leading. Absolutely disgraceful and shameful.

His supporting cast made it to the second round without him, the same folks he threw under the bus the same very season.

How did it feel watching Derek Fisher of the Utah Jazz abuse him in the post, two years prior to that?

 

Queue the "hockey sucks I'm only an NBA-only-fan" or "apples to oranges" excuses, but Shane Doan of the NHL is a perfect example of why playoff success doesn't define a player's personal impact. A person's career is not disgraceful and shameful because they fail to get out of the first round for even fifteen years. Lo and behold, he's in the Western Conference finals and people are starting to take notice of the caliber of his play and his impact.

It's fair to say McGrady's behavior was terrible and he flamed out that fateful season, but he deserves no credit for the second round appearance. As a result, how petty is it to prance around and hold that series win as some sort of vindication against McGrady?

And I'm not sure what you're getting at about Derek Fisher abusing McGrady, Zboy. That seems like a wild game of subjectively remembering history.

 

Fair enough. But I can't hold that against McGrady just like I won't hold it against Yao for not being Shaq.