And now you tell me why Jalen green can’t be better than Edwards

Im not stuck on comparing these two guys against each other. I don’t care about that.

Im stuck on how utterly stupid it is to have a stance that believes Ant is actually just a good not great player and that his overall amazing playoff averages aren’t actually very good or capable of being a top dog on a champion because a handful of subpar games as a 20-22 year old. It is beyond dumb.

 

I don't think there's any way for the rockets to go deep in the playoffs if green isn't the best version of himself. I couldn't care less about being "right" though, i'm not a GM or anything and like i said, it doesn't mean to me what it used to. I'll be interested to see how i feel if the rockets are actual contenders again at some point, it's been pretty easy to be apathetic since we've been completely irrelevant for 5 years now in terms of being a title contender. I hope the fire comes back but we'll see.

 

These threads are so weird to me.

If I had to pick, I would take Anthony Edwards over Jalen Green.

However - there are some questions about Edwards personality and game, just like there is with Jalen's.

Edwards is like 6 months older - he is also bigger than Green and a better three point shooter.

However - Green is a more consistent defender and is asked to do more on that side of the ball.


Green has improved a little over last year - some of his more advanced statistics are better on the offensive end, and defensively he isn't great but he is solid and deserves credit for that.

Green had a really good January, and is off to a good February as well -

The one thing interesting about Jalen is that he has been a lot better player on the road this year.

 

Neither one of them have a great assist to turnover ratio - and ball security is mostly what I personally look at. The creativity is usually expressed in scoring and shot creating for other people.

I think both need to get better at it honestly.

 

If you are a Rocket fan why even compare numbers at face value where without context it harms the perception of players on your own favorite team? You are that committed to an internet debate?

 

Jalen and Ant aren't Harden, Luka, Cade or LaMelo where they are clearly the primary ball handlers of their respective team. Though I think both are young enough where they could become that down in the future. Obviously they will never be the passers those two players I mentioned are.

I think both can be SGA level primary ball handlers. Where they aren't rather elite at being a floor general pg but still have so much scoring gravity they bend defenses so much that they generate a lot of secondary and tertiary assists.

 

It is one of those things where until a player does it - it is all projection.

Anthony Edwards seems to be capable of leading a team deep into the playoffs from a talent and even raw numbers perspective.

Having said that - he has gotten to the WCF last year, but he also had a lot of talent around him and arguably shouldn't have been basically swept out by the Mavs.

This year the Wolves are 7th in the West - and I do wonder if Edwards is such an elite player, why are the Wolves so far down in the standings at only a few games over .500%.

We also have to keep in mind that Edwards is also only like 23 years old.

 

Well I have to say….YOU asking someone if they are that committed to an internet debate is…..something. But anyway…

Nothing any of us says on this message board changes the perception of players in the eyes of anyone whose perception of players actually means anything. We aren’t swaying any GMs on Jalen or any Rockets players worth here at clutchfans.

I guess I would say Im committed to calling out what I find to be bad basketball arguments when I see them made. Especially ones where there really isn’t even room for debate. Ant is a great player. Right now. His overall playoff performance is great. Right now. For someone so young to have that level of playoff performance is something a fan of every single team in this league would/should be ecstatic over. As I said if Jalen had the exact same resume as Ant right now 99% of this fan base would be over the ****ing moon with excitement. The 1% downplaying would be ridiculed for their dumb stance.

The person I have been responding to has a habit of making pretty dumb arguments. I think you know hes wrong here. I think you also know if Jalen had that same resume as Edward’s that same poster would not be making the argument hes making with Ant.

 

I'm saying thar I trust Ant not to lose the ball against a double team compared to Jalen.

One thing that is not equal between them is the quality of spacing from their teammates.

I'd like to see Jalen play with better 3-point shooters on the team. Ant has Naz Reid, Conley and NAW who are all really good 3-point shooters in the rotation. DiVincenzo is also a pretty good distance shooter. Jalen would benefit from better spacing. So would Alpi and Amen.

 

Wolves are likely top 4 team when all is said and done. The Randle experiment really set them back but they have adjusted as the season has progressed. Finch is underrated imo. And Rosas is aggressive in acquiring + developing complementary talent + team building.

 

I view him differently but he's definitely one of the faces of the league.

 

Ant is better than Jalen for sure but I don't think either of them are ever going to be the best player in the league. Even with all their talent, the BBIQ just isn't there for either of them. Look at the end of the game against us, Ant was making some absolutely horrible reads when we started doubling him. It's like he almost didn't want to make the right play sometimes. Westbrook won the MVP despite doing some of the dumbest stuff you'd ever seen on a basketball court every game through sheer talent and force so maybe it's still possible but the lack of ability to read the defense is a significant weakness. They are still young though so anything is possible.

 

The comparisons are wishful thinking.

DD

 

you can tell who doesn’t watch games and just see highlights or read X

it’s even worse on X because of who Mods #RocketsTwitter - they have agendas to push that benefits them

 

Not the face though there’s a difference

 

Lot of assumptions there. I certainly didn’t say any of that. What an odd analogy mentioning erections. One thing I do know is I’m in your head. Look at how you threw a fit and got bent out of shape simply because I said Ant isn’t a great player. You just claimed the top spot for Clutchfans “biggest bi+ch!”

 

grass is greener syndrome

 

Curry did not play well in critical games in his first year. Second year we see him improving and did other things like reb and ast. Not great game 7 but good effort. Year 3 he was dominant in critical games when they were down or in close out games. Finals Game 6 the 3 wasnt dropping but he had a very well rounded game and made winning plays willing the team to victory when they needed him. This is why he is great. As I said before you got into your feelings. Ant needs to get over that hump to be great. You can keep being a bi +ch I could care less.

2013 Rd 1 Game 6: 6 for 14 .429 FG% 4 for 8 3P .500 3P% (warriors win 4-2)

2013 Rd 2 Game 5: 4 for 14 .286 FG% 1 for 7 3P .143 (lose)

2013 Rd 2 Game 6: 10 for 25 .500 FG% 2 for 8 3P .250 (warriors lose 2-4)

2014 Rd 1 Game 7: 7 for 17 .412; 3 for 7 3P .429 16-16 FT 5reb 9 ast (warriors lose 4-3)

2015 Rd 1 Game 4: .550 FG% .750 3P% 8 reb 9 ast (warriors 4-0)

2015 Rd 2 Game 4 (down 1-2) 11-22 .500; 5-9 3P .444 (win)

2015 Rd 2 Game 5: 6-13 3P .462%, 7 reb, 6 stl (win)

2015 Rd 2 Game 6: 11-25 .440% 8-13 3P .615% 10 ast (warriors win 4-2)

2015 Finals Game 4 (down 1-2) .471 FG% .571 3P% 7 ast (win)

2015 Finals Game 5: 13-23 .565%; 7-13 3P .538% 7 reb (win)

2015 Finals Game 6: .421 FG% .273 3P% 6 reb 8 ast 3 stl 25 pts (warriors win championship 4-2)

 

I got it from watching him dribble. I’m not sure how you could disagree. Not only is he physically stronger with the ball on the dribble, ie difficult to strip him, he also has better/more moves.

when Jalen dribbles, it’s like he doesn’t trust the ball will be where he needs it. Watch him next time when he makes a quick dribble move, particularly something behind the back or splitting two defenders. He wastes the quick burst with a pause as he makes sure the ball is still by his side. He’s almost too fast for the dribble, but really it’s just a lack of confidence in where the ball is.

compare that to Edwards and Edwards is dribbling through crowds as if the ball is attached on a short string to his hand.

I have been on record from day one with Jalen that his handles were not elite. I do think they’ve improved, but that’s something I notice that’s very different between him and Edwards.

 

Well we haven’t seen Jalen in the playoffs yet.
Yes, he averages 1 more turnover but has a higher usage rate and Jalen takes a lot more pull up 3s/3s in general (career wise) — don’t turn it over often when you do that.

Does Jalen do well under pressure? We’ve seen him disappear many a times. Alp too. Doesn’t mean they’re incapable, but as of yet, he hasn’t proven to be as dominant as Edwards and not sure anyone outside of this forum would disagree.