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An Olive branch - for all Rocket fans !

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, May 22, 2007.

  1. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

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    Jack-0 likes to stalk all of his online enemies simultaneously. That's what makes him such an internet virtuoso.
     
  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Pot - Kettle - Black.
     
  3. richirich

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    I am ecstatic, hey read my signature. I think by November 1st, all of the scars of the past four years should be healed, and my therapist will be ready to help me change my signature. Maybe something like,

    "If Stern is going to run the WWF, at least our team can be fun to watch. Hey, bring on the folding chairs! Someone kick Bowen! Knock Horry into the stands! Entertainment! Whoohoo!"

    or
    "Basketball was fun on the playground. It can be again."

    Maybe the Rockets can use something like that for the season slogan:
    Basketball is fun again!
    :D
     
  4. SamFisher

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    Ironic that you put that on this thread, of all the threads to put it into.

    If I devoted the level of time and energy against you that Jackie does to hunting his online enemies ("the tragedy of macbeth" e.g.) you would be a wailing pile of blubber.

    You, personally, I don't mean to destroy, it's just your opinions that I think are dumb.
     
  5. rimbaud

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    My point had nothing to do with the playoffs but that you repeatedly stated during the season that he was not doing well, the team was underachieving and should have more wins, etc..
     
  6. DaDakota

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    The problem is that both you and I both feel we are right about the Rockets, and what is good for them, and neither one of us can ultimatly prove the other wrong.

    We can both blather about stats to make our points look good, or about whether or not coaches are right or wrong, but in the end, there is no right or wrong it is just opinion.

    I tend to look for potential in players, and you seem to look at only results.

    I think we both agree that the team is not good enough as assembled, but where we fall apart is that I think there are some pieces on the bench that are part of the future, and you seem to think they are all garbage.

    Time will tell, I guess......

    DD
     
  7. AroundTheWorld

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    SJC posts with "MacBeth" in them: 132
    SamFisher posts with "DaDakota" in them: 164 (and yes, most of them are some sort of attack, ridicule or other stalking)
     
  8. TTRocket

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    Who is Macbeth and why did SJC kill him :confused:
     
  9. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I still feel that, and let me explain why......when I watch the Rockets I love to watch them win, but also I like to see the team building for a championship.

    This year, even from the beginning, I felt the team as it was assembled was going to fall far short. So, I was hoping that our team would take this year to build with Shane, Yao & Mcgrady and find out if any of the younger players were going to be able to grow into supporting pieces for a championship run.

    When the season started and the realization that we were going to go with the main rotation and not develop some of the young players, it really got under my skin, I felt that the organization was wasting the year by taking this approach.

    I watched the team blow 4th quarter lead after 4th quarter lead because it appreared the starters were gassed at the end due to a lack of rest, and I watched the team underperform against the western conference and just fumed about my belief the team had stagnated.

    I honestly, to this day, think the team could have won more this year under another coach, and developed some of the young talent as well, but all we ended up with was a divided community, a boggled firing, and some potential key pieces to our team deciding to go back to their country because they believe they were treated unfairly.

    The organization did a lousy job this year from the top down and we still don't have enough pieces to really challenge.....maybe next year I guess.

    DD
     
  10. NIKEstrad

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    You don't see how someone reading these two statements could accuse you of talking out of both sides of your...mouth? If another coach would've won more, he didn't do an outstanding job.

    I don't think anyone holds it against you for your opinion of Van Gundy. Just how you play both sides of the fence, and then seem to say, "I was right!"
     
  11. DaDakota

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    I can see how people would read that into what I am saying, yes.

    It really is about acknowledging that he did a good job but believing someone else could have gotten the team farther towards competing for a championship.

    There is nothing wrong with saying good job, but wanting an excellent job.

    As for the "I am right" comment, I really sort of reserve a lot of that for Sammy in the Boki arguments.....because, most of the time, there is no proving right or wrong, it is all just a matter of opinion.

    I do think my opinion is right, but hey....so does everyone else.....

    I think it is all a matter of perspective....and what each person's expectations are for the team....and organization, if we are all not looking at the team the same way, we will most likely get many varied opinions.

    DD
     
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    Guess I missed something.
     
  13. SamFisher

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    The people have spoken, Jackie is the Stalk-KING of the BBS.

    He worked hard for that crown when he deposed the Thane of Fife. I could never be up there.

    I mean I thought about doing a WESTLAW tracer search for DD's credit report back when I had access to those databases but I figured it would be a bit much.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    Wow, I hope you are joking...but for the record, I have outstanding credit.

    :D

    DD
     
  15. TheFreak

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    You know, the guy that actually STARTED A PETITION on this website to remove Rudy T, a HOUSTON ICON, never received this much grief. EVER. In fact no one seemed to even care. PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE BEEN OUTRAGED.

    JVG was just another Rocket coach. Just like Don Cheney. PLEASE. At least Cheney won Coach of the Year.
     
  16. DaDakota

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    Thanks Freak.

    Who started that petition? I forgot all about that.

    DD
     
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    Seriously? I don't read or post like I used to...I usually just read for the "gist" these days, and your gist was definitely that the team had the players and talent to compete. Now you're saying you know from the beginning that the team was flawed?

    I'm sure you got it by now, but it's not your opinions that rub people the wrong way, but rather, the way you present them.

    BTW, Freak...you are the same way. It's Rudy this, Rudy that in every thread. JVG was criticized for not taking us past the first round in 4 years...Rudy hadn't done it in 6! Let it go!
     
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  18. TheFreak

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    Let's go ahead and compare the rosters/injuries in each of those years. I'll let you start.
     
  19. thacabbage

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    I hate to beat a dead horse, but I just don't know what to say if you are unable to recognize that it was by MIRACLE that JVG had this team squeeze out the 4th best record in one of the toughest Western Conferences in recent history.

    Your curious pining for the development of relative nothings such as V-Mac, Novak, and Bonzi is even more paradoxical in light of your claims that this team could have/should have won more under a different coach. I think even you can agree there are "growing pains" involved in playing younger players (especially in our case, when they suck), which inevitably leads to losses.

    Whether you agree with his philosophy or not is your prerogative, but I just see no method to your madness whilst sh*tting on his grave. GATER, among others, has vehemently opposed his personnel decisions which have led me to give some credence to his opinions. You on the other hand seem to be all over the map. I think we're really going to come to appreciate the attention to detail this man put into having this painfully flawed roster prepared every night to compete and in helping develop Yao into the force he is today.

    BTW: I find it humorous that everyone around here is in a circle jerk over some orgasmic motion offense Adelman is getting ready to implant. I seem to recall this team regularly scoring in the 120's and blowing opponents out of the water when at full health in 2005. I guess it had something to do with hitting shots...

    Ultimately, his great hamartia maybe was that he didn't seem to want to upgrade talent. We'll never know for sure what all went on behind the scenes in assembling this flawed roster but one thing is for damn sure, JVG coached the hell out of that team in 2005. And he wanted Mike James back this year too so I don't give any credence to reports that he thought Rafer was adequate. Oh well.

    BTW2: Can we stop sucking Novak, Bonzi, and Spanoulis off? Did noone here see them when they actually got in the games? This isn't Jermaine O'Neal here rotting away on the bench for no apparent reason. Novak got lit up by 3rd stringers, Spanoulis couldn't hit a jumper to save his life and was more interested in publishing his blog than improving his game, while Wells suited up as Bonzi Wells disguised as Oliver Miller. And these are the guys some of you are celebrating the return of due to our coach's dismissal? The latter of which our owner embarrassingly heaped more praise toward in his press conference than the outgoing coach who just poured his sweat and blood into this team for 4 years? Go figure.

    Last thought: Less Alexander had damn right go into the luxury tax this summer because I'm sick and tired of his bullsh*t and total lack of professionalism. His handling of this situation has left a very bitter taste in my mouth and I would hate to see the same thing happen to Adelman 4 years from now when this snake again refuses to pay up. We'll see.
     
  20. AroundTheWorld

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    If I understand DD correctly, by "won more", he means "won a round in the playoffs because V-Span and Novak might have been ready to play had they been developed during the regular season (even if that had come at the expense of losing more games during the regular season)", not "could have won more games during the regular season".
     

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