im not talking about other posters - im talking about coaches. most of what i read from dadakota was attacks on jvg. but now he asks us to not criticize the new coach, shut up and get on board. i find it hypocritical that someone who complained all year about jvg would now ask others to stop bickering about him.
please go ahead and read my comments, all of them! I never said he is our saviour, I never said he is the next ginobili! and I don't portray him as Jesus! you guys are mistaking me for someone else...like i said, you guys see my sig and get abused by it all I said is, Span needs more playing time because of the obvious reasons he does well, thats all I said! I did not post as much as I used to about Spanoulis, it got tiring explaining the same thing over and over again! I got tired and many people are tired of all the Spanoulis threads! Span has the chance to stay or leave, if he stays he will probably get more playing time and we can evaluate it from there... till then, read my posts
I am asking no such thing, you misread my post sir. Believe me if Adelman starts doing things that I think are wrong for the team (Because that is what I care about) I will post about it. And to be clear, none of my posts are personal about JVG, or anyone else. I may make posts about my conclusions concerning the team or organization, but nothing personal...... I try to shy away from that. The difference is that JVG is now gone, he is not part of the Rockets, why continue to argue about whether or not he was a good coach for this team? There is no winning that argument. I believe that the team did the right thing, you believe they did the wrong thing, but what is the point of continuing the argument? JVG is not here......which is my entire point about moving on..... And I do find it a tad bit hypocritical that some of those that are bashing me, are pissed off at me for bashing JVG. DD
first off, im not bashing you. just pointing out the inherent doublestandard-ness in your thread. how is that hypocritical? im not "pissed off" at you for bashing jvg. that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. the issue i have is that you spent the entire year bashing jvg and now that he is gone you want everyone to shut up and get on board. for the record, im disappointed that jvg is not coaching anymore and i dont think he deserved to be let go, but i think adelman will do a fine job. im not going to become a spurs fan over this.
Yeah, I see your point. I am just not gonna pile on JVG. I said my piece about him, and am just going to focus on what happens next. DD
well better late than never. bashing a good coach and a class guy isnt very flattering especially after he's already gone.
Well, I was taught that passing an olive branch is the symbol of peace and some personal regret. But judging from the post you made before this one, I'll take beer over your spirituality any day. The popcorn, well that's addictive.
Yeah, I am a bit like JVG in that once something has been done, no need to hang onto it, just move on..... DD
Agreed- I will treat the Van gundy legacy with respect. He gave great effort. many here on this board disrespected Rudy after he was fired. I will not do the same to Van gundy......
Per DaDakota: "The difference is that JVG is now gone, he is not part of the Rockets, why continue to argue about whether or not he was a good coach for this team? There is no winning that argument. I believe that the team did the right thing, you believe they did the wrong thing, but what is the point of continuing the argument? JVG is not here......which is my entire point about moving on....." Thank you DaDaKota- As JVG is no longer a NBA coach- there is no need to debate whether he was effective here. No longer relevant- moving onward to better things.... go rockets!!!!!
yup. if jvg actually underachieved...that would be one thing. But with the talent pool and lack of "superstar" performances i dont think i will have any problems looking back in the future and still thinking that that team did its best, but its best just wasnt good enough. nothing wrong with that.
I'm afraid that is something I cannot do. To do so would be giving my tacit approval to the Rockets' organization for this sorry episode which I believe is a blatant attempt to divert the blame to the head coach once again. After giving the matter a good deal of thought, I should have seen this coming because it's exactly what went down 4 years ago with Rudy T. I didn't like it then but I did as you are asking here, I went along and cast my lot with the organization for the purpose of "moving ahead" and for what? So that 4 years later, I can watch them pull the same bullsh*t on another head coach in another attempt to execute a huge CYA for the organization? So this is what passes for progress now in Houston? OK so now we're on the 3rd Rockets' head coach since 2000 and this team is no closer to contending for a championship much less actually winning one. Once again this ownership and management team would have you to believe that the primary reason for this lack of success has been due to the failures of the head coach and nothing else. So rather than undertaking a sobering, realistic look at what's wrong with this team and organzation and taking the necessary steps to fix what's broken (and has been broken for 10 years now), Uncle Les & Co. serve up yet another scapegoat to the fire. If they are so unwilling or unable to be honest with themselves, how in hades can any of us expect them to be honest with us fans? You can see where this is going can't you? In three years or so when Adelman's "motion offense" fails to close the gap with the rest of the West, we'll be on to the next flavor of the month that catches the fancy of the owner and management. Now I will be the first to admit that I wasn't exactly onboard with the JVG hire 4 years ago. In fact I openly questioned whether the style of basketball he advocated could work in the Western Conference. But I set aside my doubts when I started examining his basketball philosophy because it does work. It worked for Detroit when they won their title. It's been working for San Antonio who is playing for their 4th title in 7 years. Now how exactly did San Antonio become so successful? Was it due to shrewd management and personnel moves or was it because they kept changing head coaches in order to cover up the incompetence of their front office or whenever their owner got enamored with a particular style of basketball? I'm sorry but this latest episode really sticks in my craw. A coach gets this clearly flawed team to 52 wins and the playoffs and you fire him because the other team was better? I mean, WTF kind of thinking is that? It's been 10 years of this horsesh*t and thanks to the efforts of Les, CD & Co, there is no end in sight. The trek through the wilderness continues. As Rockets' fans we have stood by and watched a once proud franchise fall from the heights of "Never Underestimate The Heart Of A Champion" to the clown show scheduled for 3:00 today. Or perhaps the better term to use would be "setup show" because that's really what's being done today at the TC to Rick Adelman. Does anyone here actually believe for one moment that Adelman stands a realistic chance of success given the current state of the roster particularly when one factors in the style and basketball philosophy he espouses? Like JVG's, he has proven that his approach can work but he will need time. Most importantly, does anyone here feel that this organization is actually committed to doing what it takes to give him that chance given the contraints they face in overhauling said roster? It could take 3 years before Adelman gets in the players he needs - you think they are actually going to wait? Or will we be receiving yet another "Important Announcement" eminating from the TC. If you believe this then I can honestly say that I admire your faith because I'm afraid that I have finally lost mine. I have been with this team since they moved in from San Diego and my devotion has never ever waivered until now. I simply don't see an end to the inepititude even with Morey holding the title of GM because CD is still there whispering in Les' ear. The monkeys are still running this zoo and that bodes ill for all of us.
Off the topic but was anyone else extremely pleased to see J West complaining about the draft, just loved it. However the western conference is going to continue to get tougher. Hanging on to the last few playoffs spots won't do anymore, but I'm in agreement with DD the best is yet to come so lets get behind our team.
wow....just ****ing wow. can you apply what you wrote when it comes to the the Texans too? i'm sure i don't even have to say it.
Pardon me for interjecting my thoughts on an otherwise lame-ass thread, but : Replace JVG with Bostjan Nachbar ... hypocrisy defined...
Yes, will need time but I'm not convinced they will fire him before given an adequate opportunity. With JVG, maybe he didn't have enough time, but unfortunately for him he coaches ugly ball. Defense may be more important than offense, but his offense was not thoroughly entertaining. That can have the effect of limiting patience. Now let's revisit... JVG actually was approached for an extension anyway, and he shied away. Why? Because he wanted Les to be jumping up and down with excitement of Jeff's style of basketball? I just don't see what everyone is whining about. Yes, maybe JVG deserved one more season, but the Rockets also had the right to find a replacement that not only had potentially more upside , but would have a more entertaining approach. Time to move on. Good luck to Jeff. I'm looking forward to next season.
