An Israeli Looks at Israel's Response to Non Violent Protests

All of YOUR responses in any Israel related thread are based on emotion. Rational thought goes out the window when it comes to you and this topic. Thus, it's very ironic that you would make this statement. In conclusion: Bye...One less Zionist fanatic and apologist in this thread.

 

While this is true to some degree, it doesn't support your argument that the reason there are no democracies in the Middle East is only because America is propping up dictators. America is not propping up a dictator in Syria or Iran, and they are not democracies. Therefor, the reason there are no democracies cannot be simply because of America propping up dictators. QED

Netanyahu is not threatening to snuff out the Arab spring, he is cautioning that these uprisings are not guaranteed to succeed and the same thing that occurred in Iran could occur in the other countries, or that Iran could use it's proxies to control the new government as was seen in Lebanon and Gaza.

In other words, no, there are no Jews in power in Muslim countries, but there are Muslims in power in the only Jewish country. Thanks.

 

1) If you take the numbers, Iran currently houses ~ 0.15% of Jews in the world. For comparison, Israel houses ~ 0.082% of Muslims in the world. In fact, Jews which remain in Iran refuse to leave Iran for Israel, despite receiving several offers to do so.

2) Since the revolution, there has been a seat specifically allocated for a Jewish MP in Iran's Majlis/council. Ciamak Moresadegh is currently the Jewish MP in Iran in case you want to look it up. There are Jewish schools, 11 activ synagogues, Jewish library, kosher restaurants, a Jewish Hospital, and committees in Tehran and Shiraz. The Chief Rabbi regularly meets "elected" presidents. The Chairman of the Jewish Committee of Tehran criticized the comments of Ahmedinejad re holocaust denial while living in Iran and still lives in Iran.

The constitution of Iran states Jews are equal to Muslims and it doesn't require them to swear a f***ing stupid oath of allegiance or anything.

3) Iran is the result of America propping up a dictator in the Middle East. It's a result that has gotten out of their hands, which is why it is such a big deal to them.Propping up a dictator requires at least a little bit of complicity. Did you forget the hostage crisis that the Ayatollahs created as soon as they "came into office"?

4) In reality, this is the most negative politically correct thing Netenyahu can say. Let's study the elements. Israel feels insecure in this wild wild middle east. None of these countries are democracies. Therefore, Israel is either fearful of the Arab people or the Arab governments, because these two groups don't represent each other. He is not so stupid as to fear Arab governments, especially given recent events clearly showing that Arab governments share a common enemy with Israel: Iran.

Therefore Netenyahu and the government's fear must stem from the organic beliefs of the Arab people. Therefore the emergence of governments where their will is executed is the only potential negative outcome. If you were in Netenyahu's place, and this was your fear, do you think you would come out and say that you are in direct opposition to allowing Arab people their freedom.... or would you say exactly what he said? Do you think Netenyahu could be any more negative without committing political suicide?

So you were saying that there are Muslims "in power" in Israel. Do you want to discuss what powers exactly they have?

 

Soooo in pictorial form, his own reasons for why Israel rules:

1) European admixure into Ashkenazi bloodlines resulting in European looking light eyed Jews.
2) Something racist about Chinese netizens
3) See #1
4) Something racist about Muslim women
5) See #4
6) Shoutout to his buds at 4chan.

pretty deep stuff. let's break it down to what he's actually saying:

1) european > other.
2) racism
3) racism
4) bigotry
5) bigotry
6) stupidity

For what it's worth, I've been to Israel and the writer's viewpoint isn't completely uncommon there. Israel has a full discourse with disparate viewpoints, unlike the US where the Jews are hardasses to compensate for the fact that they live here in safety while their brethern are fighting the fight and all the non-Jewish white people are scared ****less to actually have an opinion lest any criticism of Israel means they join Mel Gibson and Charlie Sheen in the antisemite club for men.

 

No one discusses Israeli Muslims because Israel is by its own laws considered a Jewish state. It's not funny at all.

 

Palestine is by its own laws considered a Muslim state. Smackdown FAIL.

 

Where is Palestine?

 

This post is hilarious as it reeks of stupidity.

1) Ashke...what?
2) Chinese? Where is anything Chinese in these pictures?
3) See #1
4) Muslims are a race?
5) See #4
6) lulz

I especially like the part about being accused of "something racist vs. Chinese netizens" and "European > other"... :grin:

 

there is nothing unique about this - lots of countries send their troops to other countries for training. i would bet the united states trains more foreign military personnel than israel.

we give israel billions in military aid and technology. also, israel, despite being our ally, is one of the worst offenders when it comes to hacking into u.s. defense systems and stealing our intel and technology.

 

and you are anti-muslim so it should be clear where you are coming from in this thread.

no, just pointing out that you are the most anti-muslim poster on this board and everyone knows it. your comments in this thread need to be taken in that context.

furthermore, it is you who is playing this game of questioning peoples motives and accusing others of hating jews when they are critical of israel and the u.s. relationship w/ them.

just look at some of your posts - these are all ridiculous.

 

God will bless people who love Israel... and curse those who do not.

 

What context? Did you miss the posts that said this is not about Israel vs. Muslims? There are Palestinian Christians as well.

First of all, I am not anti-Muslim. I am opposed to certain forms of intolerance among extremist religious groups, including Muslims.

Secondly, you did not answer the question - how is not chiming in with anti-Israel hate an indication of being "anti-Muslim"? That argument reveals more about your line of thinking than anything else.

 

That's a very simplistic view of why the US supported Mubarak and the Jordanian Monarchy. Their relationship with Israel is one factor but so are their anti-Communist and anti-Muslim extremists stances and many other issues.

 

For the purposes of this thread, it should be sufficient enough to bring to attention the fact that Jordan and Egypt are the second and third largest recipients of American military aid, and that both have peace treaties with Israel and were active supporters of Israel.

If you wish to discuss other reasons why these regimes were supported, fine, but in the context of this thread, I'll keep it simple.

i mean, inherently, any dictatorship the United States supports is anti-Communist/anti-extremist (it's kinda in the definition of a dictatorship to be anti-extremist).

 

In Iran, the reason why there's not a democracy is because the United States kinda killed the democracy movement through a CIA coup. They also certainly tried in Syria...

Alright, you're getting away with a technicality though; I will rephrase myself.

A large reason why there are no democracies in the Middle East (the main reason really), though not in all cases, but most, is because the United States tends to prop up tyrannous regimes either for resources or stability with regards to Israel and anti-Islam-ism. Look at Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Tunisia, Bahrain etc.

So to crow about Israel being the only true democracy in the Middle East doesn't mean much, especially since the people of the Middle East are tired of this paradigm and are changing it themselves, and now CIA assassinations are generally much well-less regarded then they were before (although God knows they are probably keeping close tabs, and if someone they don't like gets elected, we'll probably have a corpse as a head of state sooner or later).

not exactly crowing viva la revolucion

The only Jewish country was established over the corpse of a country where the majority were Muslims. Even though they successfully kicked most out, imprisoned some, and killed a few, this overwhelming geopolitical reality will lead to Muslim seats in the Knesset no matter what unless your democracy is rigged, because Arabs are still a strong minority in the state, the state they used to rule, ya know?

your constant emphasis on Arabs in "power" with 14 seats in the Knesset (a pity) is laughable once you consider it's kinda their state, barring a 2000-year old book.

As such, comparing the two situations is irrelevant, basically, and serves nothing to your purpose. You might as well have asked how many Montreal Canadiens fans are in the Knesset.

so no problem, I guess.

 

Considering all Jewish political parties in the Knesset refuse to form coalition governments with Arab parties i'm not sure what Arab representation actually means. Yes they're elected but they're not allowed to participate in government. They've been cast aside as a permanent minority in the Knesset with zero negotiating power or say on anything.

 

Seriously?

Some dude that tries to blow up a plane is "not an extremist", but that he tries to do it is Israel's fault?

Unbelievable.

 

I'm not sure I agree. We had a pretty poor relationship with Egypt before Sadat came to power. In fact the Soviets were big fans of Nasser and it wasnt until Sadat took over that things changed. The Israel-Egypt treaty is why we give them (and Israel) aid. It was written into the treaty itself as a way to give both sides a monetary incentive to stick to the treaty. There was a lot of fear at the time that Egypt would just rip apart the treaty at any moment so Jimmy Carter put in financial incentives to hold the agreement (and that money has largely done the job)

I'm not too familiar with US Jordanian relations over time so I cant speak to that situation.

But in the case of Egypt I really think its pretty one sided. Sadat switched sides and went from backing the Soviets to the West and part of that plan involved making a deal with the Israelis (among other things that he did).