An Israeli Looks at Israel's Response to Non Violent Protests

The Israelis keeping Syrians out of the Golan Heights with tear gas and bullets is one thing and I can at least rationalize that. The Golan Heights were annexed by Israel and are considered part of Israel. Your analogy works in that case. The Syrians are foreign invaders trying to break into your country. I'm not sure force is necessary but from a purely philosophical standpoint you can at least justify it.

However that logic doesnt quite work with the Palestinians. They are currently occupied by the Israelis which begs the question of whether the West Bank and Gaza are part of Israel? If they are then protesting a denial of freedom of movement across your own country is perfectly legitimate. This also raises the question of rights and citizenship of the Palestinians if the West Bank and Gaza are part of Israel. If, however, they aren't part of Israel then that brings up all sorts of questions about the occupation's legitimacy, the legitimacy of settlements, etc.. Then that's more or less admitting that Israel is occupying land that it doesnt own or claim.

You cant have it both ways. And this fundamental contradiction is at the heart of this entire debate. Until Israel resolves that contradiction (among others) then you really can't say much.

 

Nice to know you share Israel's sentiment as far as murdering unarmed people.

 

Considering Israel has a 20% Muslim population (would be way more if not for ethnic cleansing), your argument is entirely pointless and irrelevant (as usual). Good job displaying your idiocy once again.

Anyone who has read even 1/1000th of your posts on this forum would know the only reason you love Israel is because they disproportionately kill hundreds of Muslims a year.

 

Cmon ATW. This isn't right and you know it.

This isn't about Jews v Muslims. This is about Israel v Palestine. They both show signs of terrorism, imo.. one more than the other when it comes to killing innocent civilians.

 

I didn't read the initial post sammy. I am not condoning any killing.

 

you are a disgrace to mankind... go shoot yourself.... and I'm saying this as a trigger happy U.S. Marine. You have no shame or no humanity if you can pull the trigger on an unarmed man. ****in p***y.

 

You are right about that. Palestinians kill innocent civilians at a far higher ratio to military targets than Israel does.

Nice blanket generalization. So there is no circumstance under which it is acceptable to shoot an unarmed man, eh? What about if he is about to rape a little girl and you are too far away/can't possibly cross the intervening distance? What if the man is about to pick up a gun and shoot a kid? What if the man is reaching for a remote control detonator? What if the man is strangling someone and you have no chance of pulling him off before the victim is killed? What if you are a scout/sniper and are providing vital intelligence to an operation, your comrades lives are depending on you remaining in position, and an unarmed enemy scout spots you and starts running and pulling out a radio? What if you and your (wife/girlfriend/mother/other loved one) are surrounded by more people than you can comfortably fight off and they have ill intentions toward the two of you (this one would be especially relevant)?

 

By your lunatic "logic", wouldn't that mean I would have to love Al Qaeda (since they are the ones that kill most Muslims every year)?

 

so when did these protesters rape women or give away troop positions in a battlefield? Again your a disgrace if you have it in you to shoot unarmed peaceful protesters. Nice try trying to defend yourself there.

 

So it gives those Israeli snipers a right to pick off those protesters like hunting game when they had no intention for violence? God, i can't believe i'm even arguing this with you. Even ATW disagreed with what the Israeli snipers did here.

 

but Al Qaeda is Muslim so you would still hate them.

 

Assad. Gaddafi. Among others.

 

Dude, don't tell me you are actually agreeing with this bullcrap by Hydhypedplaya. To say I love Israel because they kill Muslims is asinine.

 

so in this new intifada where were the protesters raping women?

 

You are the one that said it was never acceptable to shoot an unarmed man. I provided you with a list of counter examples. Feel free to admit that the context of the shooting matters and that it is sometimes acceptable to shoot an unarmed man.

As for the case at hand, I would say an invading mob trying to cross the border in the face of an order to stop (especially when made up of a group that has often used suicide bombers in the not too distant past) requires a series of increasingly drastic steps to be taken until they stop advancing, which can include shooting them, yes.

As a marine, did you ever serve at a checkpoint or roadblock? If someone advanced on your position and refused all orders to stop, what did you do?

 

I wouldn't be so sure about that since casualties in general have been far far higher on the Palestinian side in any conflict than on the Israeli side. Also not to mention that the policy of collective punishment hits the Palestinian populace as a whole harder than it does militants.

Anyway on the original topic I still have some skepticism about this latest Palestinian movement considering that the majority of refugees trying to cross the border are coming from Syria at a time when the Assad regime is facing a lot of domestic opposition.

 

In the civilized world, when a well organized military force is aware of a planned demonstration of an unarmed crowd of people including women and children they prepare with non-lethal measures to control that crowd. They don't prepare snipers and have them murder people in the crowd.

 

holy **** I think you may very well just be the biggest tool on this forum.

You go from asking why he hates I israel so much to posting pics like those and doing your best Basso impression of trying to come off as a moron.


if your being sarcastic leave a bit of a hint.

 

I don't think thats a very farfetched assumption.

I don't see how your posts can do much to vindicate you, and when you say you don't, you follow it up with the exact opposite. Its quite absurd just to watch to tell you the truth.