An honest look at Yao's foot

I hope you're right and I'm wrong and the CNT really knows what they're doing and will do the right thing with Yao Ming. Goverment jobs are sketchy regardless of type of goverment or country, just look at Bush with FEMA and you'll see why I'm concerned. Hopefully everything will be all right and they'll let him get fully healed.

 

1. This "2 doctors" event has been reported in Chinese news that it's simply a rumor. Yao's doctor (in US) got so angry after reading the news that he even phoned the Chronicle reporter. The "worse than capitalist" quote is simply some frustrated words from the chatroom on the internet. Chinese basketball association official said to the media that they can't control fans' expressions on the internet, but they'll definitly respect science and act according to what's best for Yao. Of course, what's best for Yao is what's best for Chinese basketball.

2. Even if Rockets denied Chinese doctors to come over, they still can come. They have legs, right? And you think Yao would deny that?

 

Didn't Yao's injury occur when he was already playing with an injury? Was it an important game?

Who made Yao play in a meaningless game the day after he injured his foot?

Hint : It wasn't some official in the big bad Chinese government.

 

hummm...

I see some posts talking about China being a communist county and will not treat players like Yao like human being.

I do not know where this comes from to back some arguments. I just know it is not true. Communism or capitalism really have little to do with Yao's case. BTW, I honestly beleive today's Chinese goverment is more reasonable and credible than the current US goverment.

I have a big surprise for some of you: a lot more Chinese beleive Chicago or Boston is a much larger city than Huoston though the number has been droping noticeably since Yao joined the Rockets.

Let's communicate and get facts first before we argue. I remeber Clinton onec said: "let's talk human being to human being before we go any further"

 

That Fran article in the Chronicles is much ado about nothing to say the least. It's getting ridiculous that team Yao and CBA are the ones that have to come out to deny those rumors spread in the article. I don't know whether Fran had an agenda when he wrote that article, but it's safe to say that he laid an egg and fouled lots of Rockets followers who cannot read Chinese.

 

Seriously, after reading through this post, I am even more convinced that Americans simply don't possess the skills to do BASIC RESEARCH.

I can give Sina some leeway because they are a tabloid site, has always been a tabloid site and chances are, will always be a tabloid site. They have never claimed to be credible. They have never said (when something they predicted actually happens), see I told you so, because we have "insider sources." And they have never tried to portray themselves as anything other than a tabloid site. Indeed, one of their tactic has always been onf of "outscooping" other sources to generate readership, which of course, bites them on the ass some times.

This is not to say everything they post is bullsh1t (some have actually been proven true), just that one can never be certain all of their claims are true. Which essentially means that fans should know it is a, gasp, tabloid site and take what they say with a grain of salt. Yet I see nobody here doing that. And the funny thing is, when certain of their claims invariably prove to be false, American fans blame the Chinese media, which is just hilarious.

There have been many far more credible sources in China that has CITED original quotes from Chinese basketball officials that they WILL NOT pressure Yao to play with an injury. Furthermore, there are various sources which noted that they DID NOT offer to send doctors. So really, I do find the eight year old outbursts here monumentally amusing.

And of course, use the number one and in fact, only debating tactic (because obviously doing basic research and therefore, having the facts to back up one's arguments is beyond the mental capacity of quite a few posters here), blame the red Chicom government. It would also help to perpetuate the myth that the Chinese are a bunch of mindless brainwashed drones doing slave labour 24/7, instead of just realizing the culture difference, which is that they are, and have always been, more collectivist.

Boy, isn't that great.

 

I've been on the "throw Fran out of the Chronicle" bandwagon for several years now.

Fran Blinebury is a bomb-thrower. Read his past columns and you'll see what I mean.

That being said, understand that he is NOT a REPORTER but is a COLUMNIST. Folks need to understand the distinction. A columnist usually interjects his opinion or view on the topic.

 

MFW, if we are loath to see Chinese get generalized by a few Americans who have pathological stereotypes rooted deeply in them, we ought not to do the same to Americans en masse. As one can see in this thread, reasonable and open-minded American posters are not lacking.

 

I agree. If he were a poster, I'd consider him a troll. He wants to get your riled up, and I've never understood why.

 

wnes, duly noted. You don't have to tell me that generalizing is bad either way you slice it, but you know what, I think in this case it is the only way to get the point across.

Take for example, how many times have I tried to logically convince little SammyFisher that I have no reason to believe that the "Chinese government" is trying to milk Yao dry with his contract? I count about 7 or 8 times, if not more. Each time he disappeared, only to post the same bullsh1t in another thread at some later time.

So I'd like to point out the differences between you and me. Whereas you are more or less level headed, I am much more argumentative. Whereas you attempt to convince others, if I sound condescending, I intended it to be that way. Some times when you see a moron, you just have to call him a moron and be done with it.

PS. Although I certainly did make a generalization, I think you are off base with the "many posters here" comment. I've read through the thread and still find no one (I should say American posters) who actually verified the credibility of the Sina sources. So generalization yes, generalizing posters here no.

Being open minded also isn't an issue, as is the lack of ability to do research.

 

OP, great post.

Immiately after Yao got injured, there were many people claiming Rox was just trying to keep Yao out of the WC game. Assuming CNT has people reading this board, their suspecion, if there was any, was not entirely groundless. And then Chronicle pusblished an article and fans got angry that CNT dared to suspect anything. Not to mention CNT denied it, many of people here suspected the same thing too. None of this would have happened if we all have the attitude OP suggested.

 

first of all good post...

I think chinese gov is juz upset that yao can't play in the world championship, because no one is going to watch if yao doens't play. I guess china was pissed at rockets denied those two chinese doctors. That was kinda wrong cuz if u rn't hiding, why deny them? so all these reporting and stuff made this incident unreal. Rockets organization should open up a little more to the chinese gov and convince them even if they are hiding. A simple "No, he is not gonna play" is not enough for china. I guess thats y they are so pissed.

 

So what you're implying here is that the rockets examined Yao Ming after his initial injury, knew that there was a chance of further injury, and still let him play in a meaningless game they're better off losing anyway. I just wanted to be sure that your thought process went like this:

Doctor: Yeah if you let him play he could break his foot and be out 4-6 monthes.

Rockets: Whatever, we wanna win this meaningless game so that we can slip down in the draft, we'll play Yao.

That's your logic right?

The US goverment has looked really bad in the Bush admin. Even republicans can agree with that. But do you really think that the Chinese government is spotless and credible, you sure there's not some backdoor jobs and bribes going on somewhere?

 

You didn't really answer my questions.

My point is that the Rox (and/or JVG) did endanger Yao's health by playing him in a meaningless game when he was not 100 percent. JVG is not a nameless, corrupted, selfish Chinese official. Maybe I'm a little unclear - but it seems that you are implying that the Chinese will risk Yao's health for a meaningless game - but the Americans would not do the same...

Honestly - I don't blame JVG for the injury. It happened in the opening minutes of the game. Now if it happened in the 4th quarter of a meaningless blowout and Yao had already logged 35+ minutes it would be a different story. I don't think JVG would do something like that. Then again, after that win I'm not quite sure anymore.

 

I don't blame JVG for the injury, although I think Yao Ming shouldn't have been playing since we should have been in full tank mode, but that's not the point here. I think you're saying that JVG sent Yao out there knowing that there was a greater injury risk than any normal game. I don't think that JVG or the Rockets front office/medical staff would have allowed that, especially in a meaningless game. That's what we disagree on.

 

Basically, it comes down to trust. Chinese officials (?) want to see for themselves, with their own doctors, implying a lack of trust in the Rockets evaluation.

The rockets denying the doctors (if that's even true, some have stated here it isn't, I don't know) to see him, is a lack of trust that their observations, opinions, and recommendations will be legitimately concerned with anything but getting Yao back on the court for the World game.

I think the original post embodies the spirit that OUGHT to be, but we all know that reality and OUGHT to be are often different.

In other arenas, this is usually when a third party opinion is sought after, for impartial and accurate judgement. Can that be done here? Don't know, but I do know this is a PR nightmare in a situation that had little but upside til now.

Let's hope that the people in charge of this start to see things like the original post, and that in the end, everyone can agree to do what it best for Yao. After all, he's a person like anyone, and we ALL want him to have a long career in basketball. Common ground.

 

Good thing we own the rights to Yao.

 

Even if the "communism" government is evil as hell, they are not so stupid to risk the prospects of the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing, which is the first priority. So stay cool. Things may get hideous if this situation happens in season 07-08.