Trevor is sucking and should never take more than 12 shots in a game. If he took 8, who else would shoot? His transition game is good, his finishes aroun the basket are subpar and he makes mle money.
That very well may be.. but he is worth Shane Battier money? Hardly. Chuck's great, but let's be honest with ourselves: He's valuable, but he's not THAT valuable. With Yao down, he was supposed to be our anchor on the defensive side of the ball. And he's done an admirable job - in fact, I think if you asked most people they'd say he's our best defender, which very may well be true. I know the Rockets think Chuck brings a lot to the table, but I noticed something when examining his minutes further: Chuck Hayes is only averaging 22.2 minutes a game, which is .2 minutes higher than his previous career high in 06-07 under Jeff Van Gundy. Hayes is valuable, but I'd say ~2-3 million is about the norm for a player who only gives you 20 minutes a night, wouldn't you think?
I do think he is a GREAT role player, he does so much to help the team win it is not even funny, he is NEVER out of place, he is always playing within himself. The problem is that we have TWO good to great role players trying to do more than they can....well one of them is...the other (SHANE) is playing his role. DD
Cherry picking a few bad games is not exactly proving your point. And one must also ask, how many of those possessions were guarded by Trevor or CBud? Man, you guys will go to any lengths to prove something that just isn't true. DD
It's never good to try and make a point by agreeing with DD when you've been arguing with him all thread and poke fun at him with your sig......i dont agree with DD that it was a bad decision, they pulled the game out because they didn't crumble and when they did make a mistake the made up for it, that's what vets do. Maybe it didnt help later in the miami game, but you take one game at a time. You dont "give up" on one game, in which you're so close to winning, to plan for a game you havent even started.
I think he is the best post defender in the league, aside from Kevin Garnett... How much is that worth to you?
Who the heck said anything about GIVING up on a game? I was just saying play some of the subs a bit to get the starters some air. I mean Chase played 5 minutes in the Minny game...that is fricken ridiculous and honestly poor coaching by Adelman. DD
I guess we'll just agree to disagree. I think he's a damn good post defender, and could be one of the best if he was taller. But I can't even put him in the Top 5 in the league.. didn't Al Jefferson go for 26/26 on us the other night? And you didn't even respond to the fact that he only plays 20 minutes a game. It's not a conditioning problem - it's a Rick-Adelman-thinks-other-players-give-us-a-better-chance-to-win problem. I love Chuck, but I don't really think he's overpaid for the role he plays on our team. If he went somewhere else and played 30+ minutes, I'd see your point.
Most possessions they were guarded by Shane in those games. I guess you saw Kobe held below average when he was guarded by Trevor in LA. And Wade didn't go nuts before Battier started to defend him. Trevor did a decent job early in the game by getting a bit physical with him. Wade failed to drive by Trevor on 1 possession in the 1st quarter and Trevor actually got a steal from Wade late in the game for an assist to Landry for the dunk.
No, I would define it as a guy who plays his role...greatly. I am glad that Daryl Morey thinks like me and not like you people.... :grin: DD
Maybe the best small forward and shooting guards, but battier has also guarded point guards. The nba is also changing, shooting guards are smaller and power forwrds are taller, it doesnt always apply.As good of a defender as deke was, a very quick small center could avoid his length and get him into foul trouble or fake him out. That shouldnt be a knock on deke, and probably wouldnt. chuck is the exception, not the norm. You cant always expect to get deals like that. I agree battier is overpaid, but not by a lot. For the amount of minutes he plays, he's not overpaid. I think fans get spoiled because we got landry, lowry, scola and brooks making under 10 mill combined. That's not normal at all, it's down right crazy. EVen ariza, who's playing badly, would have probably been given a better deal if other teams just knew he'd average 16-17 a game.
Call Shane Battier whatever you like, but calling him a scrub just makes you look foolish, with all due respect. Certainly in my opinion.
That's ruben patterson, no one else has claimed themselves to be that...and i guess it doesnt make sense for ariza to have an edge on a former teamate, right? It's not like he'd know him better than any rocket or that he'd push himself more against his former team? Ariza's best D came against Kobe, i dont think he's matched that performance any other time. It's more about his personal battle with the lake show than it is about anything else.
I never said you did DD...i think in RA's mind taking his starters out in a tight game would be giving up or simply not trying your best to win. Plus i think theyhad a nice lead early, maybe he didnt expect it to be tight game and figured they'd rest at the end, then in the end it was too late for rest...maybe a miscalculation on his part, but i wouldnt say it's ridiculous or poor coaching..it happens sometimes, the rockets shouldnt have put themselves in that position to begin with.
Brandon Roy 5-18, 20 points Stephen Jackson 7-16, 17 points Deron Willions 6-20, 18 points Shawn Marion 5-12, 10 points Josh Howard 6-14, 14 points Rudy Gay 6-13, 20 points, 4 turnovers Kobe Bryant 5-20, 18 points Corey Brewer 3-7, 6 points, 5 turnovers Joe Johnson 19 points, 4 turnovers Richard Jefferon, 1-5, 9 points Kevin Durant 10-19, 25 points, 6 turnovers Baron Davis 8-17, 20 points, 5 turnovers Monta Ellis 9-27, 24 points, 9 turnovers Lebron James 8-21, 27 points, 5 turnovers Richard Hamilton 10-22, 21 points Kevin Durant 6-18, 13 points Baron Davis 5-13, 18 points Eric Gordon 6-17, 15 points Vince Carter 6-16, 18 points, 4 turnovers Devin Harris 9-22, 19 points Courtney Lee 3-8 10 points Peja Stojacovic 0-4, 0 points Josh Howard, 5-14 16 points, 3 turnovers Peja Stojacovic 2-7, 5 points Kobe Bryant, 9-23, 22 points, 4 turnovers Gerald Wallace, 2-10, 9 points, 4 turnovers Corey Brewer, 6-18, 14 points /end thread
Is this really true anymore? miami - Wade went for 37 and 8 assists on 15 of 24 minny - shane had a rare strong statistical game with no strong wing to focus on charlotte - Jackson went for 43 on 15 of 22 NY - Chandler went for 17 on 8 of 13 (not killer numbers, but a good game by his standards) phoenix - J. Richardson went for 20 on 7 of 14 LAL - Kobe had 24 on 9 of 23 (a good defensive performance) NO - Devin Brown had 12 points on 5 of 9 (not faulting Battier here) Dallas - Marion had 16 points, 9 boards on 8 of 12 shooting (1.5x his avg for both) NO - Devin Brown had 8 points on 3 of 6 (a quiet game, but efficient game) Cleveland - Lebron had 29 on 12 of 20 (only played 29 minutes) Only once in the last 10 games has shane actually held an opponent with a legit wing to a game where they were under their average performance (and it came in a losing effort). Devin Brown had a slightly above average game and a slightly below average game. Peja shot poorly in both. Honestly don't know who Battier matched up with more in this game, but Devin Brown is lucky to be starting for anyone and Peja is pretty washed up. Against Minnesota he actually put up good numbers in a hard fought game. Wade, Stephen Jackson, Wilson Chandler, Jason Richardson, Shawn Marion and Lebron all had above average games against the Rockets statistically.
dont go there lee, cus you know none of those role players u have in mind, mainly posey, stepped up mainly because of their town talents...he had guys named wade, kg, shaq, to put him in the right positions to excel...when Battier has that kind of support and he still cant deliver, then we can talk....
