You are the one that made the claim, it is up to you to substantiate it, not for us to "look it up." 45 million AMERICANS uninsured, not illegals, Americans. Assuming this is what the article you didn't cite says, I don't believe that either you or the WSJ will accurately gague who "can afford it" and who can't. According to the video that basso posted earlier, this is 11 million people and based on that video, half of the 45 million Americans without insurance either qualify for Medicaid or could "afford" to buy insurance themselves. Since this is the only thing approaching "evidence" that y'all have posted, that leaves 22.5 million people, 7% of the population, that don't have insurance, can't afford insurance, and don't qualify for existing programs. Again, your 2% is a lie. Put up or shut up, b!tch.
You should take your own advice. This thread is about thousands of people who camped out for days to get healthcare because they can't get it any other way. Do you think that this should be the state of affairs in the United States of America?
Not to mention people who have a pre-existing condition. Good thing they don't have type I diabetes because if so, they couldn't get insurance. Good thin they don't have any kind of heart defect, because if so they couldn't get health insurance. The video misses the point entirely.
No, that's not how it works. When you throw something out there that is clearly not your own (I take it you are not conducting nationwide surveys in the spare time you have between meeting industrialists), then you owe the board a link. Where is it?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574318334081271414.html You mean the Karl Rove opinion piece?
From the Karl Rove opinion piece linked by calurker above: You can't argue with facts people. CASE CLOSED
Remote Area Medical- California Edition August 13, 2009 Thousands Line Up for Promise of Free Health Care By JENNIFER STEINHAUER INGLEWOOD, Calif. — They came for new teeth mostly, but also for blood pressure checks, mammograms, immunizations and acupuncture for pain. Neighboring South Los Angeles is a place where health care is scarce, and so when it was offered nearby, word got around. For the second day in a row, thousands of people lined up on Wednesday — starting after midnight and snaking into the early hours — for free dental, medical and vision services, courtesy of a nonprofit group that more typically provides mobile health care for the rural poor. Like a giant MASH unit, the floor of the Forum, the arena where Madonna once played four sold-out shows, housed aisle upon aisle of dental chairs, where drilling, cleaning and extracting took place in the open. A few cushions were duct-taped to a folding table in a coat closet, an examining room where Dr. Eugene Taw, a volunteer, saw patients. When Remote Area Medical, the Tennessee-based organization running the event, decided to try its hand at large urban medical services, its principals thought Los Angeles would be a good place to start. But they were far from prepared for the outpouring of need. Set up for eight days of care, the group was already overwhelmed on the first day after allowing 1,500 people through the door, nearly 500 of whom had still not been served by day’s end and had to return in the wee hours Wednesday morning. The enormous response to the free care was a stark corollary to the hundreds of Americans who have filled town-hall-style meetings throughout the country, angrily expressing their fear of the Obama administration’s proposed changes to the nation’s health care system. The bleachers of patients also reflected the state’s high unemployment, recent reduction in its Medicaid services for the poor and high deductibles and co-payments that have come to define many employer-sponsored insurance programs. Many of those here said they lacked insurance, but many others said they had coverage but not enough to meet all their needs — or that they could afford. Some said they were well aware of the larger national health care debate, and were eager for changes. “I am on point with the news,” said Elizabeth Harraway, 50, who is unemployed and came for dental care. “I think the president’s ideas are awesome, and I believe opening up health care is going to work." Stan Brock, Remote Area Medical’s founder and among the many khaki-wearing volunteers in the arena, said his organization’s intent was not to become part of the health care debate, but to do what it had done for nearly 25 years: offer charity to people in need. Still, the group attracted attention last month when President Obama visited Bristol, Va., just days after it held a health care event in nearby Wise, Va. “My position on the Obama plan is that I am delighted to see so much focus on the health care issue," Mr. Brock said. “There is incredible focus on what we do, but that is not my doing." In the past, Remote Area Medical has also provided services in mid-sized American cities, including New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, but had never tried an operation in such a large metropolitan area. Mr. Brock said the considerable logistics were made possible with the help of Don Manelli, a film producer, but he said he was disappointed in the dearth of volunteers among local providers — specifically dentists and optometrists — which made it hard to provide services for all comers. Ana Maria Garcia, who works for Orange County, has health insurance that covers her husband and 3 ½-year-old daughter, but her dental deductibles are too high for them all to get care, she said. Ms. Garcia’s husband, Jorge, who was laid off from his custodial job last October, arrived from their home — a 90-minute drive away — at 4 p.m. on Tuesday to get the family’s spot in line. But the Garcias’ number never came up, so they slept in their car for a few hours and lined up again early Wednesday morning, awaiting a chance to get root canals and cleanings that Ms. Garcia figured were worth thousands of dollars. They made a friend in the bleachers outside, who gave the family some coffee and hot biscuits for breakfast. “Regardless if you are employed or not,” Ms. Garcia said, “everything in California is expensive, and so I can empathize with everyone here. Looking at this crowd, I think this is what people fear health care is going to be with reform. But to me it also shows the need.” Last month, the state dropped its dental and vision coverage for MediCal enrollees, and has since capped enrollment in the state’s health insurance program for children of the working poor. Thousands of people across the state lost their coverage in the middle of complex, multimonth procedures and have found themselves at a loss. Sammie Edwards, a retired welder, was in the middle of getting dentures made when his care ran out, he said. A friend at a food bank clued him into the free clinic. “A lot of older people are caught in the midst of this,” Mr. Edwards said. Begun in 1985 as a mobile health clinic serving undeveloped countries and later rural America, Remote Area Medical provides various medical services through units to people who are largely unable to gain access to health care. Officials from the organization said they believed that this week’s event in Los Angeles constituted the largest free health care event in the country, with the arena and all supplies and services provided free to the group. Other expenses were covered by the group’s fund-raising. On Tuesday, volunteers provided 1,448 services to about 600 patients, including 95 tooth extractions, 470 fillings, 140 pairs of eyeglasses, 96 Pap smears and 93 tuberculosis tests, the organizers said. Hundreds of volunteer doctors, dentists, optometrists, nurses and others are expected to serve 8,000 patients by the end of the eight days. For those willing to endure the long waits, the arena was like a magical medical kingdom, where everything was possible once a person got through the door. Mike Bettis, who runs security for a nightclub in Hollywood, and his fiancée, Lourie Alexander, who cleans homes, said they usually went on Craigslist, exchanging a home cleaning for a dermatology appointment. By Wednesday, the couple had gotten between them dentures (him); a breast exam, Pap smear and general physical (her); and acupuncture (both). “What I liked about it was that everyone was so sweet,” Ms. Alexander said. “You know when you haven’t seen a doctor in so many years you have a lot of questions.” http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/health/13clinic.html?_r=1
It really is ridiculous. I've seen this type of camp done in person for thousands of people who couldn't afford to see a doctor, even for the most basic procedure. The only difference is that the one I witnessed was done by the U.S. Military in ECUADOR. The greatest part is that people like TJ refuse to acknowledge that this IS a disgrace to this country, and chalk it up to 'scare tactics'.
I finally agree with Hillary. Why are people complaining about the protests? What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. http://www.forumeter.com/video/187266/I-Am-Sick-And-Tired-Hillary-Clinton (Apologies. I don't know how to paste videos, so I have to give you one of the video sites to paste into your browser.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority You can't argue the fact that the vast majority of people in the South were in favor of segregation in the 1960's, either. I guess case closed with that as well?
The problem isn't with debate. Some nice, good, healthy adult debate would be fabulous if we could get it. The problem is angry paranoid people who try to shout the other side down and prevent any debate because of perceived boogiemen, like death panels which don't exist. These people yell, and yell and don't even the other side enough chance to speak for long enough to learn that these things don't exist.
Agree. These upset people should practice protesting with all the decorum and respect and non-violence that people used when protesting Bush policies. Right? They need re-education by the Acorn successors and the New Black Panthers.
Which town hall public forum meetings that Bush held are you talking about? I seem to remember a whole lot of the decider deciding, and not a whole lot of public debate forums.
Oh, I forgot. These little old ladies and gentlemen used "mob rule" at town halls unlike their liberal counterparts who took violence and intimidation to the streets and polling places. But that was okay because times were different.
So you got nothing? If people want to stand outside Obama speeches and protest, or stand in front of the Whitehouse and scream slogans, that is fine by me. And that also is fine according to 200+ years of American precedent. These aren’t some sort of arbitrary rules that I’m making up just to get your goat. These are the well established rules of public discourse in American society. It is also OK to stand in front of the Supreme Court or capital building and scream, but conversely not OK to enter the Supreme Court or the capital building and scream at the Supreme Court justices or senators and congressmen respectively. I'm sorry if you don't like that, or have somehow managed to live thus far without learning the intricacies of public discourse.
They didn't actually create violence, FB. But had they been allowed to participate in town meetings with W (or passed the screening to be in the room) we all know what they would have done. You libs are crazy. Limited by "reality." You need to be able to project your fears to hypothetical situations and form your opinions and recollections accordingly. Get with the program.
Since he fetishizes about old people, I imagine the 1968 democratic convention is his reference (though that wasn't a polling place). Otherwise, he may bring up the two looney tunes arrested in Philadelphia last fall, who were such big Obama-ites that they were denouncing him as a fraud and an Uncle Tom at the polling station, I guess in an effort to get out the vote for him via a dastardly scheme of reverse psychology.
Here's just a random sampling of "nothing:" These clips speak for themselves, but I added a little comment anyway. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU What's the difference between these New Black Panthers now as the KKK in the 1960s? ________________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jRj-pWbWJo Notice that protesting is patriotic? ____________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYp4jbCs2J0&NR=1&feature=fvwp Since his election, no one has heckled the President like this. ____________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVR9gWErlGE Reminds me of a tea party rally