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America's Dwindling Economic Freedom

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocketman1981, Jan 14, 2014.

  1. Rocketman1981

    Rocketman1981 Member

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    I actually agree that the US system is a piece of crap. Its almost better to have a single payor system like the VA, then the horrific system we have now in which every private company games the government from doctors offices to clinics to dental clinics to drug companies to medical equipment firms.

    We spend the most which gets gobbled up by private firms and physicians and others while getting horrific service and terrible yields. Further socializing this will not clean it up, its just understanding incentives of people.
     
  2. SamFisher

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    As I reminded you when you were posting as "DwightHoward13". - the US is trumped not only by Asian Tigers - but barely functioning trauma patient states like Iran, Algeria, Syria, Libya, Thailand and Mexico.


    As the great W Edward Deming (perhaps you should study him once u get 2 the biz world) said "in God we trust, all others bring data".

    Unless u start turning water into wine - gonna have to ask u 4 data ;)
     
  3. Rocketman1981

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    When did I ever say the US system was even decent? What I'm saying is government intervention exacerbated the issue and has created artificial supply/demand constraints on medication, supply of physicians and many other areas inflating our cost of medicine.

    Now to solve the problem we're going to add more regulation? Incentive systems I know are hard to understand from a law journal perspective but you should open your eyes once in while.
     
  4. Rocketman1981

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    SamFisher,

    As an example the US has 1 physician for every 1200 people and 1 lawyer for every 300 people. That's a 4x ratio of physicians to individuals which skyrockets the prices for medical services and artificially inflates physician salaries.

    How is giving the government more licensing power going to be any better?

    Of course you sound like an angry lawyer because the above has killed your job prospects and now journalism is the next bastion to steer hate against the capitalist system that denied you your wealth you feel you deserve based on your degree.
     
  5. gifford1967

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    Dude, you're flailing. I'll also ask that you provide some data to support the greater efficiency/better outcomes of your libertarian healthcare model.
     
  6. glynch

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    Hey, I am not a libertarian and don't believe in their ethics of selfishness as one of their great idols Ayn Rand put it.

    Speaking as a lawyer, however, it might be a great boon to employment. You won't have stop signs, food inspectors, standards for water systems, any sort of regulations of the stock market or investments.

    Libertarians always cite the court system as the way to handle any damages these regulations prevent. You are free to sue when damaged and almost all disputes would be resolved in courts because anything else would involve government regulations which limits your freedom.

    No money to sue? Tough hsit we don't take that into account, but not to worry you would be wealthy since there are no minimum wages and government is off your back.

    Do the libertarian math. Take out all the taxes you have ever paid and compound by 10% tax free, you will be a multimillionaire. If not, tough hsit. Your genes do not deserve to be passed on.

    Of course anyone could call themselves a doctor, or a lawyer and there would be no regulations of claims you could make about your qualifications in advertising or the efficacy of your treatments so it would be a "free" for all.
     
  7. SamFisher

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    As I reminded you when you were posting as "DwightHoward13". - the US is trumped not only by Asian Tigers - but barely functioning trauma patient states like Iran, Algeria, Syria, Libya, Thailand and Mexico.


    As the great W Edward Deming (perhaps you should study him once u get 2 the biz world) said "in God we trust, all others bring data".

    Unless u start turning water into wine - gonna have to ask u 4 data ;)
     
  8. Rocketman1981

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    What the hell are you talking about posting as someone else? I'll leave that kind of nonsense to your internet buddies that understand your witty internet inside jokes and all the experience you get from posting on a basketball message board about politics for decades.

    When did I say the system was great?
     
  9. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    You don't seem to understand his point which is that you're making several claims without any factual support of those claims. Saying it over and over again doesn't make it true. Provide your evidence.
     
  10. Rocketman1981

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    As Samuel Johnson said ' Sir I have given you an argument, but I'm not obliged to give you an understanding.'

    I think many of you who love to sneer and pile on and enjoy your internet jokes on people who don't believe in your world are masking a contempt against commerce as many of you have undoubtedly failed despite law degrees and such. As you feel your arrogant intellectual superiority should provide respect and praise and wealth and class, you all become spiteful when it does not and see small business owners and others with disdain as their simple nature allows them to succeed. That is the belief of Washington today and its simply contrary to the principals of this nation and what creates great global wealth and what erodes it.


    I provided a specific example of government power creating significant shortages of physicians thus inflating medical prices to consumers all throughout the country and no one can refute that single point?

    One of the largest drivers of medical care is physician salaries who provide a majority of the medical care. Having a significant shortage is an enormous detriment to the care available and the cost of it. Viewing physician salaries in the US vs. any countries reflects the differential that is eventually paid for by our citizens.

    Please someone refute this failure of government power leading to higher prices.
     
  11. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Uh, you're obliged to back up your argument with facts.


    As Samuel L Jackson would say. Facts mother****er, do you have any?
     

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