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American POW freed in prisoner swap. And the GOP doesn't like it.....

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mr.Scarface, May 31, 2014.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    Well yeah, the OP was obviously an idiot, but the actual issue isn't a partisan one, no matter how much people keep wanting to make it one. That's what I was talking about. Perhaps I misunderstood what you were trying to say.
     
  2. Space Ghost

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    I love how some of these posters rabbled on about how we shouldn't judge the guy until he has his day in court. These same people were ready to hang George Zimmerman, not just before the trial, but even after he was found innocent, despite the jury having more information than the media.

    Such fickle sheep.
     
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    Shhh....pointing out hypocrisy around here gets you labeled. Be careful.
     
  4. downbytheriver

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    What's the big deal? If bergahld deserted his post, so be it. The manipulation of war mongering leaders wears thin to those who feel its negative effects up front. If he willingly joined and helped the Taliban , that's another story. Bur deserting a post in a war to keep the 1% fat and happy can't be seen as heinous.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    It's pretty obvious that you just don't get it, deserting your post in a war is treason and is punishable by death....the fact that you don't think it's a big deal just hammers it home.
     
  6. Felixthecat

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    It would be so sad and ironic if he ended up being put to death in his own country after he was kept alive for 5 years by the enemy.

    How come no one wants to wait for his side of the story?
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    Well, what could he possibly say? He did desert his unit, there's ample evidence of that, the only real question is if he was planning to defect or just desert. Even then, that doesn't really matter because even if he was the best little PFC in the Army it would have been a mistake to release 5 top Taliban prisoners for him, especially when it was done illegally.
     
  8. downbytheriver

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    Maybe it's not what he signed up for... Like the war in Afghanistan isn't really a war... And it's all about oil money that he doesn't get a piece of... Nothing to be ashamed about.
     
  9. Bobbythegreat

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    He signed up to be government property, and he signed up DURING the war, serving in Afghanistan is EXACTLY what he signed up for even if he was too stupid to know it at the time. I know it's hard for civilians to understand because they think they always get an opinion, but the opinion of government property simply doesn't matter most of the time and their opinion doesn't justify desertion.
     
  10. basso

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    how did the Afghan war benefit the 1%?
     
  11. mc mark

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    Since when did republicans become such bedwetters about 5 nobodies?
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    For the 1000th time, it's not a "Republican" issue and those guys aren't "nobodies" they are high ranking members of the Taliban government. The only "nobody" in this is the deserter.
     
  13. mc mark

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    Hum....

    Bergdahl had left his unit before, but returned: sources

    The people familiar with classified findings said investigators learned that Bergdahl, who was broadly portrayed as dissatisfied with the deployment in Afghanistan, had slipped away in the past, only to return a short while later. He did this once while undergoing military training in California, the sources said on condition of anonymity.

    Friends and neighbors in Bergdahl's hometown of Hailey, Idaho, noted similar behavior before he joined the Army, saying the bookish, athletic youth was known for abruptly taking long hikes to Ketchem, about 18 miles away, with no prior notice.

    http://news.yahoo.com/bergdahl-had-left-unit-returned-sources-210013292.html
     
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    umm you are kidding right? I sometimes wonder how much the 1% made on halliburton and the afghan war. Had to have been quite a payday. Err pay several years.

    How much did you make ba$$0? Sadly I know for all that chicken hawking and posting here you likely got a few pennies. Worked over by your bosses as usual. SICK
     
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    I AM OUTRAGED THAT WE SAVED SOMEONE FROM THE USA !! AAAAHHHHHHH!!!!

    signed,
    the GOP
     
  16. rudan

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    Fyi, 1% of the US is over 3 million people. Find a better cliche...........
     
  17. Bobbythegreat

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    He was clearly talking about every member of the NBA, NFL, and MLB, those "evil" 1%ers obviously profited from the war in Afghanistan.
     
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    It sounds like even the Taliban knew that Bergdahl wasn't all there.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bo...found-bergdahl-cursing-his-countrymen-n123846

    he Taliban found Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl walking alone, acting abnormally and cursing his countrymen before they captured him in Afghanistan in 2009, two men who were Taliban commanders at the time told NBC News on Thursday.

    They said that Afghan locals first informed fighters about the soldier, and then the fighters rushed to capture him.

    “Our people at the time couldn’t understand his language, but it was after he was shifted to a safe location, he said he wasn’t happy with his countrymen, but he didn’t intend to convert to Islam or join mujahideen (holy warriors),” one of the commanders said.

    The commanders said that Taliban officers first thought it was a trick — perhaps an American soldier sent out alone to spy on the enemy.

    “As we never saw their soldier patrolling alone … we would ask him how he managed to walk out of his base,” one of the commanders said. “He would tell us that it was personal issue.”

    The descriptions filled in some of the details about the capture of Bergdahl, who was held by the Taliban for five years before he was released to U.S. forces. In exchange, five Taliban operatives were freed from the American prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

    One of the two commanders quit the Taliban fighting U.S. forces in 2010. He joined another faction that is working to find a negotiated political solution to the Afghan conflict. He is now living in the United Arab Emirates.

    The second of the two commanders is based in Helmand province in Afghanistan.

    The commander who left in 2010 said that, at least through that time, Bergdahl did not convert to Islam.

    “Think he had deserted his army with a mission and wanted to accept Islam, but our people didn’t trust him. That shattered his belief,” he said.

    In the initial hours after Bergdahl was reported missing, on June 30, 2009, the United States mounted a furious search operation to find him. It included armed drones, teams of dogs, raids on suspected enemy hideouts and F-15 fighter jets for air cover.

    The Taliban officials would not say where they took Bergdahl immediately after the capture, only that it was a safe location.

    Later, according to Taliban sources, he was taken to the South Waziristan region of Pakistan. Later he was shifted to the forested, mountainous area of Shawal Valley, also in Pakistan.

    Bergdahl was returned to American forces over the weekend and is recovering at an American military hospital in Germany. He was promoted twice in captivity and holds the rank of sergeant.

    The trade for the five Taliban at Guantanamo has drawn outrage, primarily from Republicans. Former members of Bergdahl’s platoon have described him as a deserter who walked away from his outpost.

    In addition, members of Congress have faulted the Obama administration — even suggesting that it broke the law — for failing to notify Congress before it executed the trade.

    The administration has argued that it had to move quickly because Bergdahl’s health was deteriorating quickly.
     
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    Easy to say that now, re: he's govt property and a robot. But you and I know the army recruits naive teens using a lot of manipulation and fancy nationalist clout while heavily distorting the facts and knowing they're too naive to assess what they're getting into. There's a reason 23 vets suicide a day. There's a reason ptsd and related disorders make life hell for the guys who arent built to be robots when they come back to the states. All so your corporate overlords can fatten their wallets with bigger defense contracts and more board of director positions for sons of senators. Sheep, thou knows not the reparations of your fight.
     
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  20. Bobbythegreat

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    That's pretty tired rhetoric. There is no excuse for desertion, simple as that. None.

    You go AWOL when you get back to the states after your first deployment is over, we'll talk. I have friends who did just that, completely different situation than deserting in country.
     

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