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American POW freed in prisoner swap. And the GOP doesn't like it.....

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mr.Scarface, May 31, 2014.

  1. treeman

    treeman Member

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    Oh boy...

    Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl left a letter the night he disappeared from his base in Afghanistan saying he wanted to renounce his citizenship, according to sources, and previously expressed his disillusionment with the Army, telling his father in an e-mail he was "ashamed" to be an American.

    While Bergdahl remained at a U.S. military hospital in Germany following a swap for five high-level Taliban members — dubbed a jihadist "Dream Team" — two of Bergdahl’s fellow soldiers told Fox News Channel that the 28-year-old Idaho native willingly walked away from his post in Afghanistan on June 30, 2009. Their claims that Bergdahl's departure from the base was premeditated jibes with emails published in 2012, in which he told his father of his growing disenchantment with the Army's mission in Afghanistan.


    “The future is too good to waste on lies,” Bergdahl wrote his parents. “And life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend helping fools with their ideas that are wrong. I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be American. The horror of the self-righteous arrogance that they thrive in. It is all revolting.”


    Full Story:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/03/wartime-messages-to-parents-fellow-soldiers-reveal-troubled-bergdahl/

    You know, this guy would fit right in here or on Democratic Underground. :p
     
  2. treeman

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    Oh my:

    Bergdahl's team leader: Intercepted radio chatter said he sought talks with the Taliban

    (CNN) - Former Army Sgt. Evan Buetow was the team leader with Bowe Bergdahl the night Bergdahl disappeared.

    "Bergdahl is a deserter, and he's not a hero," says Buetow. "He needs to answer for what he did."

    Within days of his disappearance, says Buetow, teams monitoring radio chatter and cell phone communications intercepted an alarming message: The American is in Yahya Khel (a village two miles away). He's looking for someone who speaks English so he can talk to the Taliban.


    Full Story:

    http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/03/team-leader-bowe-bergdahl-wanted-to-talk-to-taliban/

    This just gets worse and worse... If it turns out this guy is a traitor, will anyone think this was a good trade? Bueller?
     
  3. bobmarley

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    Soldiers Feared Bergdahl Was Feeding Taliban Intel: “IEDs Started Going Off Directly Under The Trucks, They Were Getting Perfect Hits Every Time”…

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    Via CNN:http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/03/team-leader-bowe-bergdahl-wanted-to-talk-to-taliban/

    . . . Buetow was involved in the immediate search for Bergdahl, pushing a patrol into a nearby local village.

    “Immediately as we left the base, two small boys walked up to us, and they told us that they saw an American crawling in the weeds by himself,” said the former Army sergeant. The search followed that lead, and others, for months.

    “For 60 days or more, I remember, just straight, all we did was search for Bergdahl,” said Buetow, “essentially chasing a ghost because we never came up with anything.”

    At least six soldiers were killed in subsequent searches for him, according to soldiers involved in those operations.

    The Pentagon was not able to provide details on specific operations in which any soldiers were killed during that time were involved.

    Buetow says even though those operations were not “directed missions” to search for Bergdahl, there was an underlying premise of acting on intelligence to find the missing soldier.

    “The fact of the matter is, when those soldiers were killed, they would not have been where they were at if Bergdahl hadn’t left,” says Buetow. “Bergdahl leaving changed the mission.”

    Many soldiers in Bergdahl’s platoon said attacks seemed to increase against the United States in Paktika province in the days and weeks following his disappearance.

    “Following his disappearance, IEDs started going off directly under the trucks. They were getting perfect hits every time. Their ambushes were very calculated, very methodical,” said Buetow.

    It was “very suspicious,” says Buetow, noting that Bergdahl knew sensitive information about the movement of U.S. trucks, the weaponry on those trucks, and how soldiers would react to attacks.
     
  4. bobmarley

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    GOP aides say Obama administration admitted transfer of prisoners skirted law

    Via Washington Examiner:http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2549256

    House lawmakers were last informed about a possible exchange of Guantanamo detainees for the release of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl on Jan. 31, 2012, two years and four months before President Obama decided to make the swap, say House GOP officials.

    House Republican lawmakers are making the case that Obama broke the law, and his administration is aware they broke the law, by failing to give Congress 30 days notification that he planned to conduct a prisoner swap.

    Instead, according to aides, they were notified of the exchange by a telephone call to a GOP aide about 30 minutes before the White House released a statement to the press.

    During that call, an aide said, an Obama administration official acknowledged the move was inconsistent with a law requiring Congress receive 30 days notification.

    Republicans aides say the GOP chairs of the Foreign Affairs, Armed Services, Intelligence and Defense Appropriations received only two briefings at which a prisoner exchange was discussed
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Bergdahl source told me earlier today: 'The men who are speaking out are even now not telling all they know. It's uglier.'</p>&mdash; Mollie (@MZHemingway) <a href="https://twitter.com/MZHemingway/statuses/473951660683718657">June 3, 2014</a></blockquote>
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  6. mc mark

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    #386 mc mark, Jun 3, 2014
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    Keep the sheep mad, keep em' scared
     
  8. treeman

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    WTF is wrong with you dude? Seriously?

    So we're "sheep" now? As far as I can tell you are the one being willingly led around the nose here, buying every BS word coming out of the Administration. It is becoming increasingly clear that this guy was a deserter at best, and you are totally OK with giving up 5 really, *really* bad guys so that Obama can pretend to care about the troops.

    How can you possibly be dumb enough to fall for this?!?
     
  9. TheresTheDagger

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    Ah. A thinking reasonable American who just happens to defend Obama and his administration on EVERY SINGLE SCANDAL including this one. Gotcha. :rolleyes:

    Really. So then in GladiatorRowdy world, we would trade a single soldier for a nuclear weapon. Or surrender our positions in Afghanistan. After all, you said "no matter the cost to ourselves."

    An assumption that is heavily supported by the facts. What facts do YOU have to support an assumption he is NOT a deserter?

    If you were a "non-partisan" yourself, it should be easy to point out several times here on Clutchfans where you have criticized Obama. I'll wait patiently till I see the quotes. In the meantime, I'll take your criticism of the rest of us with a HUGE grain of salt you hypocrite.

    Well, as long as you have no doubt. :rolleyes: Then again, the guys in his unit who knew him best risked exposing themselves to criticism and maybe legal action to call him out precisely because they felt he would be called a hero. I guess they have a little less faith in the military justice system than you have especially when it could lead to bad publicity for our current Commander in Chief.
    Right. It just is a big coincidence that every argument you make happens to coincide with Obama administration talking points.

    There's that "no matter the cost" thing again. Commanders at all levels make decisions every day. Its just the Obama is the first one I've ever seen willing to trade one american POW/deserter/traitor (whatever he really is) for 5 sworn top enemy commanders.

    It is incredibly risky at best. And it is reckless and foolhardy (and against the law) at worst.
     
  10. Blake

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    No offense, but as a mostly casual observer of this forum I find it hilarious that you call people sheep. You may be the biggest defender of everything Obama in the forum. I have no issue with that (nor should you care what I think anyway), but you aren't any less of a sheep than the right wingers you disagree with. You just don't purposely try to troll the forum like some of them do.
     
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  11. mc mark

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    In also happen to be right. (most of the time) ;)
     
  12. larsv8

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    As a neutral observer, the conservatives on this forum are part of a circus of clowns and any attempt to engage in honest discussion about any issues results in them fleeing, speaking in rhetoric, posting memes, or other dodging technique.

    Its a joke.
     
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  13. Hustle Town

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    Thank you for this.
     
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    Sorry if already posted...I don't have time to wade through this forum.

    http://time.com/2818827/taliban-bergdahl-pow-release-objections-white-house/

     
  15. Hustle Town

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    Let me add this: mc mark is a worthless, hypocritical sheep. He acts as a puppet of Obama and any liberal talking points going around the internet; his posts on here are derisory.
     
  16. mc mark

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    You are sooo cute!
     
  17. CometsWin

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    Is he a Marxist or a Commie? Let me guess, a Marxist Commie.
     
  18. Mr. Clutch

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    So Obama traded 5 Taliban in return for 1 Taliban?
     
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    State Department: On Second Thought, Maybe Bergdahl Wasn’t Captured In Combat…

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    Via The Blaze:http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...nsure-if-bergdahl-was-captured-during-combat/

    Obama administration officials on Tuesday admitted that they have no idea if U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl was captured by the Taliban during combat, a dramatic change from their explanation just a day earlier.

    On Monday, State Department Spokeswoman Jen Psaki was asked several times if the government saw Bergdahl as someone who was trying to desert from the Army. That question was a reaction to press reports based on soldiers who served with Bergdahl.

    Psaki rejected that theory on Monday, and said Bergdahl was captured during combat.

    “We would characterize him as a member of the military who was detained while in combat,” she said.

    On Tuesday, another State spokeswoman, Marie Harf, retreated by saying officials are in the process of finding out what happened. Harf keyed off comments that Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Martin Dempsey made on his Facebook page, which also said the military will soon learn what happened.
     

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