American pastor Terry Jones vows to hold national Koran burning event

I've read that Hitler strongly associated Communism with atheism.

Here are a couple more quotes where he supports Christianity:

"Today they say that Christianity is in danger, that the Catholic faith is threatened. My reply to them is: for the time being, Christians and not international atheists are now standing at Germany’s fore. I am not merely talking about Christianity; I confess that I will never ally myself with the parties which aim to destroy Christianity. Fourteen years they have gone arm in arm with atheism."

"We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."

Let me make this clear: I am not saying that Hitler was a Christian. I was pointing out that according to ATW's logic, Hitler should be considered a Christian because at various times he called himself one.

I know you use a much better definition for Christian: a person who follows the teachings of Christ. I respect that. I do not respect ATW's ever-changing requirements for religious affiliation that always end in 'Islam bad, other religions good.'

 

Yes, that is what I will say because I am a consistent and logical person without a vendetta against Islam (or any other religion).

I get it. The difference is in where you decide to draw an arbitrary and unknowable difference (exactly what is going on in the mind of some crazy person) so that it suits your needs perfectly.

 

were the majority of German citizens who were either involved, participated, or supported the systematic state-driven mass murder of 6 million Jews all crazy?

 

That's were this is heading.

 

no, it's not. this guy is a nutball. he's being flamed by religious leaders all over the place.

 

I don't rightly care what happens to this guy and his followers. They know what they are doing. They also know the consequences that could happen. They don't seem to care enough about our troops' lives to not do this...so to hell with them. Unfortunately, the actions of a very few are going to be seen by Muslims overseas as the doing of all America...just like most Muslims feel persecuted based on perceptions that all America is out to destroy Islam over the actions of a few extremist, sick individuals on their side. Turnabout is fair play I guess. They are not going to get the memo that this is less than 50 individuals in some deviant church group. That will conveniently be left out by Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

In the words of Ivan Drago..."if he dies...he dies". Sure, noone should die for burning paper with print on it no matter what it is. But, right or wrong, they know how it works in this case. Let him pray to his God and see if he wants to deal with the aftermath the rest of his and his followers lives.

 

“WHERE THEY BURN BOOKS, THEY WILL ULTIMATELY ALSO BURN PEOPLE”

The quote above is taken from a 1821 play by Heinrich Heine called “Almansor”. In the play itself, the quote is referring to the burning of the Muslim Quran by the Christian Inquisition in Spain. However the quote is most associated with the May 10, 1933 burning of Jewish books by a Nazi crowd in Berlin’s “Babelplatz” (Babylon Plaza). Today, there is a monument standing in that place.

I went to a Burn The Beatles event in 1967, it didn't turn around the trend. I didn't want to Burn them, I loved them and understood what John Lennon was saying; I just went for the chicks.

 

We got generals, sec of State, and foreign countries condemning it. Just can't ignore his attention whoring gimmick? Or is it because deep down everyone knows a large number of people can't handle this and will try murder in defense of Islam? Kinda like how they maturely handled the Danish cartoon thing.

 

I missed this post. You're right..he said tons of contradictory things about Christianity.

I think if we all had our quotes scrutinized over the course of our lives, you would find evidence that we supported competing idealogies. Thomas Jefferson's quotes make him read like he was actually two different people, altogether. Without the context of the statement, we lose the meaning. Similar to the Bible, frankly.

 

Translation: "I, rhadamanthus, am unable to back up my dumb statement with a solid argument, so I just throw in a random insult that might help me to become more popular with what seems to be the majority of posters in this forum right now."

 

I'm not saying it's right. American Muslims want to build a mosque at ground zero even though it is of a sensitive issue to most people. They have that right...it's a free country. This pastor wants to burn his own collection of books even though it is of a sensitive issue to most people. He has that right...it's a free country.

It's his message of hate that irks me the most. By that account, he's no different than Osama Bin Laden or Hitler. If he had it his way he would eliminate the Muslim community in the same light as Hitler or Bin Laden to the Jewish community. The guy is clearly an idiot who is seeking attention. We live in a free society and sometimes this crap comes back to bite us. Ignore it and move on.

 

Sure would be nice to have the same level of input coming from Muslim leaders when likewise crazies burn the bible or flag.

DD

 

Nope. Your post was just so arrogant and insulting I figured responding to it with any depth was probably a waste of time, a viewpoint I am coming to think is, unfortunately, correct. I guess I now understand how most Muslim posters feel when responding to you.

Regardless of all that, FrancisRules has done my job for me, honestly.

 

Still no substance in your post other than baseless accusations and insults. Zero reasoning. Three in a row. Weak crap. You used to be a better poster.

 

Pot kettle much? Read Steve_Francis_Rules' posts and reply. If it's coherent enough I might favor you with further attention.

 

From Danish Cartoon Thread but it probably makes sense here too:

Its funny how people highlight the 'racism' in the USA, and don't understand how much better we are than other countries. Germany is just notorious for this nonsense and their discrimination and anti-immigrant policies.

People have to be so much better than the pure 'Germans' to gain employment there and their racist undercurrents are very clear through guys like AroundTheWorld.

The guy should be allowed to write silly cartoons and not get death threats, the muslims should be allowed to build their mosque in Lower Manhattan and the guy in Florida should be able to burn his Quran. That is freedom. But to give a guy a 'prize' for doing so is just absurd.

Freedom is a two-way street.

 

agree they might as well give as Quran burner a freedom award too

Islam is Germany's new Judaism

 

From what I was reading, such an action would be deemed illegal if it incited violence or intimidated others. Couldn't it be argued that such an act would incite violence among Muslim Americans...and therefore there be just cause for the government to stop it? Or, is the claim that burning paper is not harmful to others and is therefore okay?

It's not okay to shout "FIRE!" in a packed theater when there is no fire but it is okay to burn a book that many would gladly sacrifice their lives for while perpetrating violent acts against others?

I have a hard time reconciling that.

My personal feelings is if they just burned their books on their own with no media blitz they were going to do it...then whatever. But, they wanted this to get out and the media blitz has turned this into a worldwide international incident basically and is pretty much fact to incite violence in every Muslim country there is and, in turn, American civilians and troops will be the victims in the end. If anyone should pay with their lives, it should be these idiots first.

 

Out of all the incredibly dumb things you have posted, this is the dumbest.


"If a fundamentalist, envangelical pastor in America wants to burn the Quran on September 11, then I find this simply disrespectful, even abhorrent and simply wrong," Merkel said in a speech.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...g-condemned-worldwide/articleshow/6521357.cms

 

Can someone please link DaDakota the thread with a hundreds of media documented denouncements by Muslim leaders and people?

Ok maybe don't, it's not like he's gonna read em.