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American Muslims: what's real and what isn't

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by droxford, Sep 2, 2010.

  1. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Is it just me or is it odd that the entire football team is Muslim?
     
  2. Mr. Brightside

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    Actually the high school, Fordson, is about 97% Arab. It is located in Dearborn, Michigan.

    But if you noticed in the video, there was this one black guy in the back who didn't appear to be praying.
     
  3. TheShooter

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    In the video about the football team, a player has tattoos which is forbidden for us, muslims and even worse, it's a tatoo that his linked to Islam. :confused:
     
  4. R0ckets03

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    My dog is my son.
     
  5. moose

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    Dogs are impure, and not allowed as pets. Unless used for protection or an aid for the physically impaired.
     
  6. YaosDirtyStache

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    I think I know why so many Muslims I know are very blunt and angry...they lack the companionship of a dog!
     
  7. R0ckets03

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    WTF? I haven't read the whole thread, so I honestly don't know. Is that your opinion, or does it say that somewhere in the quran?
     
  8. Rockets R' Us

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    Hey ladies (haven't seen any responding but I'll keep open the assumption your reading) & gents, didn't mean to forget about this thread, just been busy last 48 hours....I did see some very interesting points in this thread (from muslims) that I disagree with, and more questions...I'll expand when I get a chance hopefully tomorrow.

    Thanks for the reps btw, I'm glad I can help in any way. Thanks to Droxford of course for creating this forum and allowing for the back and forth.

    “The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity.” - Albert Einstein

    Let us hope that our questions, thoughts, and answers bring us all closer to solving/understanding more of that mystery today then we did yesterday. ;)
     
  9. Rockets R' Us

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    Sorry but had to jump on this....I doubt that this is in the Quran ANYWHERE.....it's just more extrapolation and extra-pertation of themes of cleanliness in the Quran applied to things they aren't meant to be implied too.

    Everything is impure, unclean....even humans....that doesn't mean we're not allowed to keep them for companionship! It simply means that after we've spent our time with them, to clean ourselves to regain our own cleanliness. If the "impurity" clause was applied in most human situations of contact with ANYTHING, then everything would be "impure" and not allowed. I've had many dogs and enjoyed their companionship....but I would always wash my hands or take a shower after playing with them. I never regarded their impurity as a disease, where if I touched it and was affected by it, I would forever be cursed of it.

    No disrespect meant of course Moose; if you can back up your claim with some sort of authority, I'd love to hear more about it! :)
     
  10. Rockets R' Us

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    Okay last reply, I promise, I really gotat get going... :p

    Verses relevant to this are repeated throughout the Quran;

    49:13 O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other. Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well-acquainted.

    16:36 And verily We have raised in every nation a messenger, (proclaiming): Serve Allah and shun false gods. Then some of them (there were) whom Allah guided, and some of them (there were) upon whom error had just hold. Do but travel in the land and see the nature of the consequence for the deniers!

    40:76 We did aforetime send messengers before thee: of them there are some whose story We have related to thee, and some whose story We have not related to thee. It was not (possible) for any messenger to bring a sign except by the leave of Allah: but when the Command of Allah issued, the matter was decided in truth and justice, and there perished, there and then those who stood on Falsehoods.


    14:4 We sent not an apostle except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in order to make (things) clear to them. Now Allah leaves straying those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases: and He is Exalted in power, full of Wisdom.



    These verses speak to the intent of God to have separate tribes/people and to relay them all a message from various messengers that spoke their own specific languages. Prophet Mohammed had his specific purpose; to be the last Prophet.

    But the prophets before him, both known to him and not known to him, were all different manifestations of messengers sent from God or messengers that had God speak the message to them. This is why in a larger sense, many of the world's religions, both large and small can be seen to have similar roots and trends. Islam emphasizes in the Quran that the messengers and the messages of before have been distorted; this is why Prophet Mohammed received the final message and the Quran is given the protection of God, which has allowed it to remain intact in it's verbage with nothing changing since it's creation.


    One of my joys is studying other religions as well; you can never fully understand and appreciate the work of art the lord has created until you step back and see all the details of his masterpiece and study his catalog. When discussing Hinduism with a friend of mine, the origins of 1 god and a monotheistic religion are all there, but many followers of the religion have either twisted the purpose or have in modern day been mistaken in their worship. He affirmed to me that hinduism is at it's base monotheistic (which also falls in line with other academic/religious research I've done). Same thing with as someone above mention about Buddhism. The modern day "Sufi" sect of Islam is similar in some respects to Buddhism, and I'm currently enjoying learning about it.

    Enough of my rant, see you tomorrow with an expanded version folks!
     
  11. AMS

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    The impurity of Dogs is mentioned in many Hadith. As stated before there is a difference of opinion when it comes to the interpretations of Hadith.

    I think both Shia and Sunni's generally agree that dogs are impure and should not be kept as pets as their presence in the house prevents angels from entering. Some Maliki scholars (sunni sect) don't agree with the impurity of dogs.
     
  12. AMS

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    The majority of Islamic scholars prohibit keeping dogs as pets in the household for companionship. Orthodox Muslims follow this very strictly, and hence most Muslims are cat people :grin:
     
  13. droxford

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    Any thoughts on my big-ass post/question on page 4 (post #63)?
     
  14. AMS

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    I liked the summarized version ;)

    Ill get back to it in a couple of days. :)
     
  15. droxford

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    Ok, cool. Yeah, it's a long read and a big question.
     
  16. ThaRed

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    Great thread, lots of good questions covered.
     
  17. moose

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    Correct

     
  18. AroundTheWorld

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    So do you disable images on all websites, just to be safe?
     
  19. moose

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    I remember this story vaguely, God tested Abraham and ordered him to leave Hagar and Ishmael alone in the dessert. Ishmael needed water, and Hagar ran to look for water. She ran 7 times searching between two mountains (Safah and Marwah). By miracle, Ishmael kicked the dirt and water was to be found. To Muslims, this well still exists in Mecca and is known as Zamzam.
     
  20. moose

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    No, There are difference of opinions on the pictures part. Some scholars believe that drawings and paintings of humans and animals by humans imagination are emulations of God's creations. While actual photos taken by cameras are not by imagination, but merely a reflection of His creation.

    Mmost contemporary scholars of Arab and some of Indo-Pak believe that photography is okay. Personally, I think photography is fine, and I have the respect of others who feel otherwise. But I do feel drawings and murals of human beings are forbidden because it is challenging creations by God.
     

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