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American exceptionalism will allow war criminals to march away scot-free.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Northside Storm, Feb 27, 2011.

  1. Northside Storm

    Northside Storm Contributing Member

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    Yeah, right. Seriously. Let's throw these criminals to the exclusive jurisdiction of Ethiopia and Somalia.

    While the American drive to resist internalization is sometimes petty and really just kinda trivial (most notably with the refusal to adapt the metric system) and sometimes slightly more drastic (refusal to reform health care and refusal to pay most UN dues), this is yet another instance where American refusal to sign onto an international initiative will mean that either justice will not be served or lives will be lost. It is really sad to see, given that the US tries to uphold a reputation as a guiding light for human rights, freedom, and justice.
     
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    Ethiopia and Somalia would probably do a better job dealing with war criminals than we would. Criminals like George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld are still protected by the Secret Service and they even get to appear on shows like the Daily Show! Let us deal with Ghaddafi and he'll be eating New York Strip and appearing on the Daily Show regularly.
     
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    libya has the largest oil reserves in africa.
     
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    Didn't the US use mercenaries in Iraq? I thought I read that somewhere.
     
  7. JuanValdez

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    I would think Libyan courts would also be able to prosecute foreign mercenaries, no? And so far, the Libyans don't seem to have a good opinion of those guys.

    But, excluding non-participating countries from prosecution by an international court makes all the sense in the world; I don't see how you'd do it otherwise, seeing as the court exists as the result of an agreement between sovereign nations.

    Yes. But, when we do it, they're "contractors."
     
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    On a tangental subject, isn't it time now to review all our relationships with dictators? When these guys fall in popular revolutions, the complicity and hypocrisy of our ties with them come out in stark contrast. Biden saying Mubarak is no dictator; Swiss freezing Gaddafi bank accounts they were happy to allow a month ago; etc. I'm not saying we should slap sanctions on half the third world, but maybe relations should be a little icier than they are now.
     
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    Lot's of them. We are also using lots of them in Afghanistan. Sometimes we call them "contractors".
     
  10. Northside Storm

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    Yes, because neighboring countries that object to their citizens being tried by international courts will surely welcome Libya's facade of justice. If the lynchings don't happen before that is. That's exactly what a young democracy needs, a heavy and emotionally scarring caseload that will burden any developing legal system for years or a boatload of dead bodies that are a stark reminder of the lack of the rule of law in its' own borders.

    Beyond that though, the whole statute is politically motivated. The best way to put it would be to say that the US is looking out for the sovereignty of countries. The worst way to look at it, which is often the lens that America herself portrays at say China (ex: on Darfur and non-intervention in Sudan) is that Americans are refusing to embrace the very same principle of the universality of human rights that has been the cornerstone of American foreign policy and is shielding criminals from justice.

    And how in the hell can you even define a nation like Somalia as a sovereign nation? More like sovereign basket case. What kind of justice will Somalian mercenaries face if they are exempted from the proceedings of international law?
     

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