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America Is Not Ready for a Black President?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Lil Pun, Sep 19, 2008.

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  1. bucket

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    I'd like to see him try.
     
  2. langal

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    I'd vote for him is he were stronger on illegal immigration, did not want to ban guns and never dressed up in rags.

    Bush holding hands with the Saudi dude was bad enough (i voted against him both times :( ) I cannot imagine our president dressing up during a visit.
     
  4. basso

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    amen to that, and i would have been excited to have condi in the mix this go 'round, and we could have slain all the prejudicial dragons at once, race, sex, and sexual orientation...;)

    seriously tho, i'm completely ready, and i think the country has been for a long time, for a non-white male president. whether that's a black man, or a white woman, or someone else.

    but the democrats have succeeded to a large degree in demonizing any minority or women republicans (rice, thomas, steele, palin, powell) as uncle toms, traitors to their sex, etc. so one could just as easily argue that the democrats are as racist/sexist as they accuse the republicans of being.

    the truth is, there are demagogues and racists on both sides, who will take advantage of anyone who looks, or thinks, different.

    but i'm ready, and i find the prospect exhilarating.
     
  5. Bandwagoner

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    Bald guy will never be president again.

    In TV it just won't happen. McCain is cutting it close but his comb-over helps him out greatly.
     
  6. basso

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    apparently 1/3 of democrats aren't ready for a black president.

    [rquoter]Poll: Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama
    By RON FOURNIER and TREVOR TOMPSON, Associated Press Writers

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks — many calling them "lazy," "violent," responsible for their own troubles.

    The poll, conducted with Stanford University, suggests that the percentage of voters who may turn away from Obama because of his race could easily be larger than the final difference between the candidates in 2004 — about two and one-half percentage points.

    Certainly, Republican John McCain has his own obstacles: He's an ally of an unpopular president and would be the nation's oldest first-term president. But Obama faces this: 40 percent of all white Americans hold at least a partly negative view toward blacks, and that includes many Democrats and independents.

    Adjectives that describe blacks

    More than a third of all white Democrats and independents — voters Obama can't win the White House without — agreed with at least one negative adjective about blacks, according to the survey, and they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama than those who don't have such views.

    Such numbers are a harsh dose of reality in a campaign for the history books. Obama, the first black candidate with a serious shot at the presidency, accepted the Democratic nomination on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech, a seminal moment for a nation that enshrined slavery in its Constitution.

    "There are a lot fewer bigots than there were 50 years ago, but that doesn't mean there's only a few bigots," said Stanford political scientist Paul Sniderman who helped analyze the exhaustive survey.

    The pollsters set out to determine why Obama is locked in a close race with McCain even as the political landscape seems to favor Democrats. President Bush's unpopularity, the Iraq war and a national sense of economic hard times cut against GOP candidates, as does that fact that Democratic voters outnumber Republicans.

    The findings suggest that Obama's problem is close to home — among his fellow Democrats, particularly non-Hispanic white voters. Just seven in 10 people who call themselves Democrats support Obama, compared to the 85 percent of self-identified Republicans who back McCain.

    The survey also focused on the racial attitudes of independent voters because they are likely to decide the election.

    Lots of Republicans harbor prejudices, too, but the survey found they weren't voting against Obama because of his race. Most Republicans wouldn't vote for any Democrat for president — white, black or brown.

    Not all whites are prejudiced. Indeed, more whites say good things about blacks than say bad things, the poll shows. And many whites who see blacks in a negative light are still willing or even eager to vote for Obama.

    On the other side of the racial question, the Illinois Democrat is drawing almost unanimous support from blacks, the poll shows, though that probably wouldn't be enough to counter the negative effect of some whites' views.

    Race is not the biggest factor driving Democrats and independents away from Obama. Doubts about his competency loom even larger, the poll indicates. More than a quarter of all Democrats expressed doubt that Obama can bring about the change they want, and they are likely to vote against him because of that.

    Three in 10 of those Democrats who don't trust Obama's change-making credentials say they plan to vote for McCain.

    Still, the effects of whites' racial views are apparent in the polling.

    Statistical models derived from the poll suggest that Obama's support would be as much as 6 percentage points higher if there were no white racial prejudice.

    But in an election without precedent, it's hard to know if such models take into account all the possible factors at play.

    The AP-Yahoo News poll used the unique methodology of Knowledge Networks, a Menlo Park, Calif., firm that interviews people online after randomly selecting and screening them over telephone. Numerous studies have shown that people are more likely to report embarrassing behavior and unpopular opinions when answering questions on a computer rather than talking to a stranger.

    Other techniques used in the poll included recording people's responses to black or white faces flashed on a computer screen, asking participants to rate how well certain adjectives apply to blacks, measuring whether people believe blacks' troubles are their own fault, and simply asking people how much they like or dislike blacks.

    "We still don't like black people," said John Clouse, 57, reflecting the sentiments of his pals gathered at a coffee shop in Somerset, Ohio.

    Given a choice of several positive and negative adjectives that might describe blacks, 20 percent of all whites said the word "violent" strongly applied. Among other words, 22 percent agreed with "boastful," 29 percent "complaining," 13 percent "lazy" and 11 percent "irresponsible." When asked about positive adjectives, whites were more likely to stay on the fence than give a strongly positive assessment.

    Among white Democrats, one third cited a negative adjective and, of those, 58 percent said they planned to back Obama.

    The poll sought to measure latent prejudices among whites by asking about factors contributing to the state of black America. One finding: More than a quarter of white Democrats agree that "if blacks would only try harder, they could be just as well off as whites."

    Those who agreed with that statement were much less likely to back Obama than those who didn't.

    Among white independents, racial stereotyping is not uncommon. For example, while about 20 percent of independent voters called blacks "intelligent" or "smart," more than one third latched on the adjective "complaining" and 24 percent said blacks were "violent."

    Nearly four in 10 white independents agreed that blacks would be better off if they "try harder."

    The survey broke ground by incorporating images of black and white faces to measure implicit racial attitudes, or prejudices that are so deeply rooted that people may not realize they have them. That test suggested the incidence of racial prejudice is even higher, with more than half of whites revealing more negative feelings toward blacks than whites.

    Researchers used mathematical modeling to sort out the relative impact of a huge swath of variables that might have an impact on people's votes — including race, ideology, party identification, the hunger for change and the sentiments of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's backers.

    Just 59 percent of her white Democratic supporters said they wanted Obama to be president. Nearly 17 percent of Clinton's white backers plan to vote for McCain.

    Among white Democrats, Clinton supporters were nearly twice as likely as Obama backers to say at least one negative adjective described blacks well, a finding that suggests many of her supporters in the primaries — particularly whites with high school education or less — were motivated in part by racial attitudes.

    The survey of 2,227 adults was conducted Aug. 27 to Sept. 5. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.1 percentage point.[/rquoter]
     
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    haha!
     
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    So, are any of McCain's supporters going to still argue that "race doesn't matter with voters" and race isn't a disadvantage for Obama? Huh? Which way is it?
     
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    It blows my mind that someone could be so ignorant as to lump one race as a whole, in which every single member exhibits similar traits.

    There are stupid and smart people in every race, the fact of the matter is... we're all different and we're all the same... even if some of us are the same color.

    The fact that Obama is black really doesn't weigh into my thought process at all, I think I actually admire him more than any other Democrat simply because he's been able to rise above all the crap and make it to where he is now in a very short period of time. I actually like Barack as a person (more than Maverick even, dude can't even use email)

    I just don't agree with his views which means I have to vote on principles, not popularity.

    These people are like Fuzzy Zoeller telling Tiger Woods not to eat fried chicken and greens at the Master's dinner, they somehow feel threatened by even miniscule differences that are usually nothing more than ridiculous stereotype. There are people who joking say stuff like Barack would probably replace the National Anthem with "Ain't Nuthin But a G Thang." the thing is... they really aren't joking.
     
  10. rimrocker

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    Well, economists are ready for a black president..

    [​IMG]
     
  11. Shroopy2

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    The presidency has always been decided on the white vote pure and simple. They've factored in many demographics of voters but its whites who get you in....

    The vibrant, eloquent speeches and hope for a better tomorrow will soon subside. His Ivy League education will continue to erode away. Soon as Obama's in the White House, his true self will be revealed. All of his statements will be proceeded by saying
    "*****z be ___", then the intended action. America is DEFINITELY not ready ready for that, nor should they be...

    The views by those polled on blacks being "violent" and "lazy".....how does that in ANY way tie into the democratic presidential candidate? You don't lazy your way to the presidency, just strange how people can't separate an individual from a stereotype.
     
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    Really? how much cred does Wright have? How much cred did Wright give? On what did you base your decision that this was the reason for associating with Wright?

    Actually because of the color of his skin, his hair, and the fact that he's lived in this country, he has a lot in common with other African Americans.

    Sorry racisttexxx you don't know what you are talking about.
     
  13. Rocket River

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    Let's reverse them. . . .
    hhhmmm
    Why not say . . . the opposite is . . .
    anyone who will not vote for McCAIN because he is White is racist. it's really that simple.

    or maybe
    "anyone who votes for McCAIN because he is WHITE is racist"?

    Minorities have been voting for white folx for nearly a century
    however. . .if they don't vote for the white person in one election
    all of a sudden it is racism . . . .

    most interesting . . .

    Rocket river



    wait . . .folx have voted for White folx for over a Century
     
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    I think the 1st thing they expect him to do is to call Putin and remind him
    PUNKS JUMP UP TO GET BEAT DOWN!!!

    Rocket River
     
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    that's one thing that bugs me.

    it's like you can't be a real "black" or "woman" unless you are pro-choice, anti-gun rights, socialist, open-borders, atheist, pro-gay marriage, drink light beer, etc...

    we could really use a viable third party to smash these party platforms.
     
  16. Dairy Ashford

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    Is Black America not ready to stop whining?

    A black man has been given the very best education and opportunities that this country has to offer, is probably guaranteed a Senate seat for the rest of his life, and is somehow still being portrayed as a gosh darn victim.

    I think this whole topic is just a flimsy pretense to either pre-emptively rationalize a Democratic loss or condemn a Republican win. And frankly, when we're only 12% of the population, there's no good reason for any of us to feel entitled to win a national, popularly elected position.
     
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    Fixed.


    I will repeat in the words of Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. I make my choice based "not on the color of skin" but "by the content of his character."


    Michael Steele will be a veep and more some day...
     
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    He's a lightweight. I'd take that bet.
     
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    Because he's a GOP guy?

    Bet.

    I'll win in a few cycles, you'll see... 8, 12, 16 years from now... :D
     
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    after this week, if i were obama, i'm not sure i would trumpet that stat.
     

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