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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by bluffkin, Nov 22, 2025.

  1. roslolian

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    TS% they are pretty far. Sengun is at 57%, KD at 61% and Amen at 54.8%. Context wise, KD and Sengun are the focal pts of the offense while Amen cant consistently score in iso due to lack of midrange and perimeter game. He scores mostly in transition and off the ball cuts.
     
  2. bustamove

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    Based on Amen's a winning culture cornerstone player
     
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    yeah if you only base on TS% and offense

    but theres more to winning games like defense, offesive rebounds, attacking, playmaking

    there's a reason AMen leads the starters in BPM and Net Rating

    there's a reason why he's the starting PG and plays the most minutes

    he's that valuable
     
  4. Furious Jam

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    Yes, but Sengun is not being paid the max, and KD accepted an extension for below the max. We're in a new era here. A max contract for Amen would be an overpay and irresponsible. Max contracts should be limited to all-NBA players, not player with glaring flaws.
     
  5. roslolian

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    Amen's BPM and Net rating compared to Ausar is skewed because the Rox have been missing their wing defenders in DFS and Tari was in massive snit due to his contract and also got injured. When your backups are horrible your BPM would be great cuz your team tanks when you sit. You realize Tate is his sole backup as the premier wing defender? lol

    OTH Pistons have a lot of the wing defenders for example they have Ron Holland who might as well be the 3rd Thompson Twin. When Ausar sits Holland replaces him so what will Ausars on/off be? It will be low because its like he never sat down.

    Amen is the starting pg but he isnt the one who sets up the offense or creates for everybody right? Sengun is the real pg of this team and KD is the secondary creator. Amen would be 3rd behind them and arguably Reed also creates more when he is on the court.
     
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    So is Ausar he aint making the max
     
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    I am not denying Amen is valuable I am saying he isnt worth the max.

    I showed you on defense Amen and Ausar are similar and on offense they are similar too. Nobody is gonna say Ausar is worth the max. Amen is better than Ausar but he isnt drastically better to get the max unless he levels up and separates himself from Ausar.

    You dont believe in All stars but those are the kind of commendation that give leverage for a max. An all star appearance has more clout to getting the max than on/off differentials when it comes to negotiations.
     
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    Does Ausar lead his team's starters in BPM and Net Rating and minutes played?
     
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    I'm saying Amen is as valuable as Alpi and KD in terms of being the reason for the rockes winning

    I don't believe he needs to paid the max

    But of Stone does pay him the max I would understand

    and he's not similar with Ausar. Ausar isn't as valuable as Cade and Duren.

    stop comparing a 27 minutes per game Ausar to 36 mins per game Amen

    who would pay a guys averaging 27 minutes the max???

    "they have the last name and they have same FG% they must be exactly the same player" LOL
     
  10. roslolian

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    Cade and Duren are better than Amen too currently so nor sure what your argument is.

    Amen is behind KD and Sengun on our team like I said the only reason he looks indispensable is because Tari and DFS are injured. We got no one who can defend the perimeter besides him. You understand that yes or no? Once DFs and Tari come back if Amen doesnt level up his on/off will drop.

    The stats show it defensive rating and TS% both Amen and Ausar are very similar. Minuts played doesnt matter, their performance on the court is very similar.
     
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    AMen on the pistons will be averaging the same minutes as Cade

    And duren still be under 30 mintes a game
     
  12. Houston77

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    No. Every team would offer him the max if they had the ability. It’s so funny to me how people will accept high scoring players who are net negatives on defense, but dismiss the ceiling of a two-player monster like Amen just because he’s missing one aspect of offense.
     
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    Amen is better than Duren, and saying Amen and Ausar are “very similar” is simply ridiculous. They are very different players playing very different roles for their respective teams.

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    Interesting to see the shooting percentage differences in the two brothers. Ausar is obviously lower volume and likely more dunks/put backs. His 3pt% is where I'd love to see Amen start trending towards or higher!
     
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    It's probably due to Ausur not forcing things as much as Amen does.

    Amen pretending to be a guard leads to him needing to take shots he doesn't have the skill to make.
     
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    I remember a lot of people saying Ausar was the better shooter during the draft process. What’s fascinating to me is the major disparity in FT shooting - Amen should be shooting way better from 3 with that FT percentage.
     
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    Yeah, I noticed that to. Amen should probably concentrate on corner 3s to build his confidence hopefully. His in the paint shots are looking better from last year and if he can shoot over 80% at the line that will be huge given the amount of fouls he's starting to collect.
     
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    I still believe Amen has a Scottie Pippen type game/projection. With that said, he's improving his mid-range shots and FTs, he'll need to keep working on his outside shooting--it's reminiscent of Clyde's low trajectory jumper.
     
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    Still a lot of season left. My view is that the improved FT% is mostly legitimate and the regressed shooting from the field and from three is mostly a fluke. Knowing you, I'm guessing you have the opposite opinion.

    We'll see who's correct, but my prediction is still that he finishes the season putting up around 20, 7, and 6 on 50+ percent from the field / 30+ percent from three / 75+ percent from the stripe. Coupled with All-NBA defense, that to me is a max level player before you even factor in future growth, and I do think he has a lot of room left for improvement.
     
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    Amen is kind of like Ben Simmons. Can't shoot. Great defense. Great rebounding. Can create.

    Simmons is a better passer. Amen's motor is 10x the size of Simmons'. That last part is what makes Amen's value much, much higher than Simmons.
     

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