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Amazon no longer hosts Parler

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Jan 9, 2021.

  1. heypartner

    heypartner Contributing Member

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    That's like saying law-abiding people who enjoy Porn are getting their rights attacked when their fav pornsite site gets pushed off Amazon AWS, and the pornsite has to go find another host

    let me explain

    declining hosting is not "removing a groups presence on the internet." Pirate Bay hosts their servers on drones, for christsakes. :cool:

    4chan and 8chan host their own servers.

    Relax, you don't understand the technology here. Amazon merely said go find another host, which also includes hosting the servers yourself ... like all the illegal NBA streaming sites do, and porn sites do ... or, like Google, Amazon, Facebook and Twitter do. They all own their own servers (ie, they don't rent them). At that point, all you need is a Registrar to point the internet to your static IP (called "address resolution").

    regarding: "few very powerful decision makers have the ability to effectively remove a group's presense on the Internet" ... what do you mean by "a group"? we are talking about an App here. If you mean App users, not only can they wait for Parler to start hosting themselves, they can all still chat on numerous (numerous) other platforms, just like ppl needing Porn can find it even if their preferred pornsite gets de-hosted. No "Group" is losing their rights by one App having to find another hosting provider or host themselves.

    A True Parler Ban -- The only way to get actually banned from operating on the Internet (ie your domain name/IP address being banned) is operated with Government oversite (known as ICANN, formed under contract with the US Dept of Commerce) ... somewhat like TV and Radio bandwidth is overseen by the Government.​
     
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    Xerobull Salve Dicit Mater Tua
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    I agree with you but in the case of running a website there are alternatives to AWS. You could do it yourself with sufficient hardware.
     
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    Did you have the same feelings about Alex Jones being kicked off platforms?
    People now trying to speak about freedom of speech pointing at tech giant boogeymen when in reality they were fine with all the traffic he was generating. And Facebook was given millions of dollars by the Trump team in 2016 to focus thier message towards targeted people. There was an entire Frontline episode about it. The one thing that these tech giants don't like. The possible litigation that comes from allowing users to use thier platform to plan to kill politicians and overthrow our government. You threaten thier money, they act. That's exactly what happened to the Stormfront website. Playing that censorship bs when there are endless streams of nonsense on the internet is ridiculous. He isn't banned from the internet. So please save me that Orwellian bullshit.
     
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  4. heypartner

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    @durvasa in a nutshell, there is a difference between de-hosting, and de-listing. Parler got de-hosted by Amazon and de-listed by Apple/Google app stores, but they cannot be de-listed from the internet without a federal warrant, pretty much. (i'm not really sure about how a domain name can be seized or banned.)

    see my long post above for more technical explaination and more proper (historically accurate) analogies.
     
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  5. heypartner

    heypartner Contributing Member

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    Yes, Parler can still operate just fine.

    Also, de-listing from App Stores can be circumvented ... it's known as "sideloading." Apple doesn't own my phone, so I can (and do almost everday for development/testing purposes) load Apps not in the AppStore.

    https://www.lifewire.com/get-apps-not-in-app-store-1999916

    I can foresee sideloading to become easier, and developers who love Parler to make it *very* easy.
     
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    Xerobull Salve Dicit Mater Tua
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    You’re giving plebs far too much credit, let alone the angry old yokels that consist of the bulk of Trump’s base. There’s a reason iPhones are so popular- they’re insanely easy to use. Go read random Facebook comments for five minutes and tell me that those people could sideload anything.

    I’ve been in IT over 20 years. If people could do this stuff, I wouldn’t have had a job when I started.
     
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    I said “effectively” on purpose. I get that there are other options to remain online. Doesn’t mean political organizations or dissident communities can’t be effectively silenced through the power exerted by these companies.
     
  8. heypartner

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    you're not a developer who actually knows what sideloading does.

    trust me, it can become much easier. It can be a simple one-click interface.

    AppStore is not some magical technology that has an exclusive to downloading code to a phone.
     
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    heypartner Contributing Member

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    it's not even close to "effectively." not close

    relax
     
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    What about the "artists" who use racism, hate speech, misogyny, glorify drugs and drug houses .... as a means to make millions, will they be banned from youtube, twitter and social media as well? Or are they too lucrative for the far left?

    If you want to ban people for inciting violence, you have to ban all people who do so. The stats don't lie as too who is actually doing it and who their "influencers" are.

    This is just far left bullying, like calling Maria Bartiromo of CNBC names because she doesn't blindly agree with you.

    @Mariabartiromotv - Mariabartiromotv (parler.com)

    I'm fine with banning Trump from social media -- but only if you ban ALL people who incite violence, hate, misogyny, rape, hard drug use, etc. Don't glorify the rappers then complain about people who die after committing these acts.
     
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    I’ve done coding as part of my job over the years. I’m a partner in a software platform. It’s literally my job in that company to advise my partner, who is the lead developer, on ease of use.

    Don’t take my experienced word for it. Ask your grandma to sideload something with instructions in a document or a video. Please let us know how that works out.
     
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    These are public services so why does it matter if they all act together?

    Whe had none of these sites 15 years ago and now they are vital to society?

    All of these sites are extras and none are vital to society as a whole, I don't get this slippery slope argument.
     
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  13. Senator

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    Why is Chrissy Teigan allowed on social media ? She was actively encouraging protestors to use riot gear and coaxing them to be aggressive because she would bail them out of prison. Which she didn't. The less talent a "celebrity" has, the more effort they put to antagonizing and creating conflict to stay relevant.

    If you want to ban Trump, ban those from the far left who incite violence as well instead of praising them.

    Many rappers glorify the things that cause interactions with police ... but they aren't banned, rather made multimillionaires by claiming oppression. These problems will continue as a result.
     
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    They have not effectively removed a groups presence from the internet, there are other ways to get on the internet, if you want to engage in a realisting argument about this stop the hyperbole.

    You do know there are still things like The donald and Stormfront still on the internet.

    Either you are being contrarian to the extreme or you don't know how the internet works.
     
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    Is it easy for the typical user? If jailbreaking is needed on iPhone, that’s hard. If security policy default to no side loading (it is afaik), that’s a few steps at least. I can’t see default policy to allow “one click” easy side loading - just seems like that open up the devices to security vulnerabilities.

    But the point that you can still get it and use it is absolutely right. It’s not a total ban.
     
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    You are still wrong and why do these private companies have to host any of these orgs or communities?

    These particular organization still have 3 tv media outlets and numerous publications.
     
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    Or when Stormfront got kicked off the internet. If you incite hatred or violence then prepare to accept the consequences
     
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    Yeah, my mom was a surgical nurse and used to stitch up my cuts. Does that make her a surgeon? :)

    That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I'm doing this programmatically, in such a way maybe you've never seen before. Hell, right now Android makes it quite simple.

    Trust me. I could bypass Parler's lock-out in no more effort for the user than it is to download Parler already.

    Alternativelly, Black Rifle Phone Company would sell your grandma a pre-installed iPhone. :)
     
  19. AleksandarN

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    Give us examples of “artists” that influence a mob to incite violence?
     
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    Your mom is certainly a surgeon in some parts of the world, and even in situations here in the USA. But I digress.

    I get what you’re saying. If there’s a one or two button click solution, it’s feasible.
     

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